It's not really the essence of these policies (i.e. beingbeing more inclusive and welcoming) that the resounding disapproval is against but the fact that these policies will, in all probability, be enforced by the last kind of people on the planet you'd want i.e., who not only claim that their interpretation of the policies are absolutely sound but also that their understanding of the situations they're policing is always perfect and beyond public criticism (as is evident from the company's response following Monica's firing). And this is exactly the reason we should draw the line when the company decides to enforce some kind of "ideological compliance, rather than the ideology itself".
It's not really the essence of these policies (i.e. being more inclusive and welcoming) that the resounding disapproval is against but the fact that these policies will, in all probability, be enforced by the last kind of people on the planet you'd want i.e. who not only claim that their interpretation of the policies are absolutely sound but also that their understanding of the situations they're policing is always perfect and beyond public criticism (as is evident from the company's response following Monica's firing). And this is exactly the reason we should draw the line when the company decides to enforce some kind of "ideological compliance, rather than the ideology itself".
It's not really the essence of these policies (being more inclusive and welcoming) that the resounding disapproval is against but the fact that these policies will, in all probability, be enforced by the last kind of people on the planet you'd want i.e., who not only claim that their interpretation of the policies are absolutely sound but also that their understanding of the situations they're policing is always perfect and beyond public criticism (as is evident from the company's response following Monica's firing). And this is exactly the reason we should draw the line when the company decides to enforce some kind of "ideological compliance, rather than the ideology itself".
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Thanks for the letter. Now that the crux of the story has been laid out by Caleb (emphasis mine), my opinion of Stack Overflow Inc. has reached a new low.
In light of whatall the things we went through just to open this site much less make it work, the touch touch-stone issue is almost comical. Pronouns. No No seriously, pronouns..
Personally I have yet to face the specific issue,issue; nobody, to my knowledge, has taken offense at the pronouns I used for them. But the "law" laid down quite suddenly and directly to moderators by several staff members was that henceforth we all had to do whatever was requested of us by other parties. It used to be that the ground rules were were limited to a "be "be nice" policy that could have been boiled down to "if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all",policy4 and how that was enforced varied varied a bit bit by site. Even though I often disagree with the world at large large on what what is considered nice and constructive, I can usually figure figure out how to to live within a system withof boundaries. You can do X, but not or Y but not Z. Given Given the framework of thisa secular platform that hosted a diversity of viewpoints those were rules rules I could play by.
What changed is this: now it isn't enough just to not beavoid being rude to people you disagreepeople you disagree with, the new policy forces us to positively affirm things we don't agree withaffirm the other parties' position. Even disengaging has been ruledwas specifically ruled out as an allowable solution, solution since that'sthat would be discrimination and and potentially hurtful"hurtful". That avoidance avoidance of potentially compromising scenarios scenarios is not allowed has been been directly affirmed by staff members several times over the weekendseveral times.
If person A comes along and demands that I refer to them by their "preferred pronoun" (even if it is a mismatch for their genetic sex or the grammar of the language being spoken) and I refuse, that's considered an insult. Now if, SE staff's enforced interpretation is that if I deliberately avoid pronouns altogether, whether by carefully avoiding sentences that even need pronouns at all or by sticking to to properproper names or by disengaging from the individual, that's being — those are all considered an insultbeing considered insults too if the other party says they are insulted.
Thanks for the letter. Now that the crux of the story has been laid out by Caleb, my opinion of Stack Overflow Inc. has reached a new low.
In light of what we went through just to open this site, the touch-stone issue is almost comical. Pronouns. No seriously, pronouns.
Personally I have yet to face the specific issue, nobody to my knowledge has taken offense at the pronouns I used for them. But the "law" laid down quite suddenly and directly to moderators by several staff members was that henceforth we all had to do whatever was requested of us. It used to be that the ground rules were limited to a "be nice" policy that could have been boiled down to "if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all", and how that was enforced varied a bit by site. Even though I often disagree with the world at large on what is considered nice and constructive, I can usually figure out how to live within a system with boundaries. You can do X, but not Y. Given the framework of this secular platform those were rules I could play by.
What changed is this: now it isn't enough to not be rude to people you disagree with, the new policy forces us to positively affirm things we don't agree with. Even disengaging has been ruled out as an allowable solution, since that's discrimination and potentially hurtful. That avoidance of potentially compromising scenarios is not allowed has been directly affirmed by staff members several times over the weekend.
If person A comes along and demands that I refer to them by their "preferred pronoun" (even if it is a mismatch for their genetic sex or the grammar of the language being spoken) and I refuse, that's considered an insult. Now if I avoid pronouns altogether by sticking to proper names or disengaging from the individual, that's being considered an insult too.
Thanks for the letter. Now that the crux of the story has been laid out by Caleb (emphasis mine), my opinion of Stack Overflow Inc. has reached a new low.
In light of all the things we went through just to open this site much less make it work, the touch-stone issue is almost comical. Pronouns. No seriously, pronouns.
Personally I have yet to face the specific issue; nobody, to my knowledge, has taken offense at the pronouns I used for them. But the "law" laid down quite suddenly and directly to moderators by several staff members was that henceforth we all had to do whatever was requested of us by other parties. It used to be that the ground rules were limited to a "be nice" policy4 and how that was enforced varied a bit by site. Even though I often disagree with the world at large on what is considered nice and constructive, I can usually figure out how to live within a system of boundaries. You can do X or Y but not Z. Given the framework of a secular platform that hosted a diversity of viewpoints those were rules I could play by.
What changed is this: now it isn't enough just to avoid being rude to people you disagree with, the new policy forces us to positively affirm the other parties' position. Even disengaging was specifically ruled out as an allowable solution since that would be discrimination and potentially "hurtful". That avoidance of potentially compromising scenarios is not allowed has been directly affirmed by staff members several times.
If person A comes along and demands that I refer to them by their "preferred pronoun" (even if it is a mismatch for their genetic sex or the grammar of the language being spoken) and I refuse, that's considered an insult. Now, SE staff's enforced interpretation is that if I deliberately avoid pronouns altogether, whether by carefully avoiding sentences that even need pronouns at all or by sticking to proper names or by disengaging from the individual — those are all being considered insults too if the other party says they are insulted.
It is the compulsion, rather than what is being compelled, the forcing of ideological compliance, rather than the ideology itself, that is the red line for me. The treatment of Monica is appalling too, but the two things, the compulsion and the expulsion, arise from the same intolerant instinct. They are born of the same spirit and made of the same cloth. Stack Exchange is a private company. They can impose whatever ideological speech codes they like and conduct whatever pogroms they like. But they will have to do it without me.
The question of whether one can choose one's own identity, as opposed to your identity being what the world sees when it looks at you, is one with profound and wide-reaching philosophical, epistemological, and even theological implications. Making personal preference in pronouns mandatory is making the rejection of the objective view mandatory. At that point is has nothing to do with whether or not one wished to make people feel comfortable. Philosophically, sophisticated arguments can be made for both the objective view and the social constructionist view. My objection is to the imposition of the philosophical test. The fact that I happen to be one side of the issue isn't the point. For many decades British officers had to take an oath against transubstantiation. Its aim was to keep Catholics out of the ranks of officers. A relatively small matter was used to impose a big restriction. This is a requirement of the same kind. The request seems small but the implications are vast.
Henceforth, I have decided to abort all my community moderation activities on all Stack Exchange sites, including but not limited to editing posts, handling review queues, raising flags and guiding new users, until the company mends the damage it has caused and puts forth a public apology. I'm sad to say that I now feel that I've wasted a lot of my time in essentially I'm sad to say that I now feel that I've wasted a lot of my time in essentially working and creating value for free for a company that doesn't even give the bare minimum respect to its primary userbase. Nah, not anymoreworking and creating value for free for a company that doesn't even give the bare minimum respect to its primary userbase.
The question of whether one can choose one's own identity, as opposed to your identity being what the world sees when it looks at you, is one with profound and wide-reaching philosophical, epistemological, and even theological implications. Making personal preference in pronouns mandatory is making the rejection of the objective view mandatory. At that point is has nothing to do with whether or not one wished to make people feel comfortable. Philosophically, sophisticated arguments can be made for both the objective view and the social constructionist view. My objection is to the imposition of the philosophical test. The fact that I happen to be one side of the issue isn't the point. For many decades British officers had to take an oath against transubstantiation. Its aim was to keep Catholics out of the ranks of officers. A relatively small matter was used to impose a big restriction. This is a requirement of the same kind. The request seems small but the implications are vast.
Henceforth, I have decided to abort all my community moderation activities on all Stack Exchange sites, including but not limited to editing posts, handling review queues, raising flags and guiding new users, until the company mends the damage it has caused and puts forth a public apology. I'm sad to say that I now feel that I've wasted a lot of my time in essentially working and creating value for free for a company that doesn't even give the bare minimum respect to its primary userbase. Nah, not anymore.
It is the compulsion, rather than what is being compelled, the forcing of ideological compliance, rather than the ideology itself, that is the red line for me. The treatment of Monica is appalling too, but the two things, the compulsion and the expulsion, arise from the same intolerant instinct. They are born of the same spirit and made of the same cloth. Stack Exchange is a private company. They can impose whatever ideological speech codes they like and conduct whatever pogroms they like. But they will have to do it without me.
The question of whether one can choose one's own identity, as opposed to your identity being what the world sees when it looks at you, is one with profound and wide-reaching philosophical, epistemological, and even theological implications. Making personal preference in pronouns mandatory is making the rejection of the objective view mandatory. At that point is has nothing to do with whether or not one wished to make people feel comfortable. Philosophically, sophisticated arguments can be made for both the objective view and the social constructionist view. My objection is to the imposition of the philosophical test. The fact that I happen to be one side of the issue isn't the point. For many decades British officers had to take an oath against transubstantiation. Its aim was to keep Catholics out of the ranks of officers. A relatively small matter was used to impose a big restriction. This is a requirement of the same kind. The request seems small but the implications are vast.
Henceforth, I have decided to abort all my community moderation activities on all Stack Exchange sites, including but not limited to editing posts, handling review queues, raising flags and guiding new users, until the company mends the damage it has caused and puts forth a public apology. I'm sad to say that I now feel that I've wasted a lot of my time in essentially working and creating value for free for a company that doesn't even give the bare minimum respect to its primary userbase.