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@Arbitrarily0 it looks like something broke here, I happened to notice that the template {{ZagrebCity-geo-stub }} started rendering the error:

Page Template:Asbox/styles.css has no content.

Please fix or revert, this is very visible. --Joy (talk) 11:10, 22 January 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

I just reverted my move of Template:Asbox/styles.css. Is that what the problem was? Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 11:12, 22 January 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Joy, it looks like its fixed now. The problem was either that .css pages can't be redirected, or if they can I don't know how. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 11:22, 22 January 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Arbitrarily0 See below. Peter coxhead (talk) 11:23, 22 January 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Peter coxhead, regardind Nahian's comment below: Is further action needed, since I've already reverted the move of Template:Article stub box/styles.css? Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 11:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Arbitrarily0 It all works at present, but it may be possible to change the name of the template if my comment below is correct. Peter coxhead (talk) 11:31, 22 January 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Please, replace Template:Asbox/styles.css with Template:Article stub box/styles.css in this module. VengeanceTalk 11:10, 22 January 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

When Template:Asbox/styles.css was moved to Template:Article stub box/styles.css, the breakage was, as far as I can tell, because Module:Article stub box references 'Asbox/styles.css' at line 14, but there was no redirect. The module also references 'Template:Asbox' at line 13, but Template:Asbox is a redirect, and it seems to be ok. So perhaps if the move left a redirect, and then the module was updated, it would all work? Or maybe .css pages can't be redirected? Peter coxhead (talk) 11:33, 22 January 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Thank you, Peter coxhead. Yes, I'm just not sure if .css pages can be redirected. Of course, we could do a "manual redirect" by moving the content of Asbox/styles.css to the new title (and changing its referent in Module:Article stub box accordingly). But if it's okay with you, let's wait for someone else's opinion here, just to avoid the risking of things breaking again. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 11:37, 22 January 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

@Arbitrarily0 I definitely agree to wait! But I do think that duplicating the content to the new title and then updating the module should work. Peter coxhead (talk) 11:40, 22 January 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

CSS pages can be redirected, but the technique is completely different. You would use the @import rule. But please do not carry out cut-and-paste moves, even for CSS pages, see WP:CUTPASTE. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:54, 22 January 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

I've sorted this. Job queue will take a few days for all of this to be corrected, but issues go away on (null) edit. While it is possible to futz with where a TemplateStyles page is by moving it by hand and then doing a WP:History merge, I have rarely if ever had issues with just moving them and making sure the relevant invoking module/template is correct. Anyway, the TemplateStyles page should have been living under the module name, so I also corrected the final location. Izno (talk) 21:11, 22 January 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Thank you, Izno! Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 16:44, 23 January 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

@Peter coxhead and Arbitrarily0: The entire asbox functionality seems to be broken now; no thumbnail images, no subcategories, just the same message for every template. Could this be the result of the changes above? — The Anome (talk) 12:03, 22 January 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

It must be because of the move. Looking into it now. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 12:13, 22 January 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

@Arbitrarily0 looks like this update of top args in the module was also necessary. I tagged some more instances with comments in case they get normalized later. --Joy (talk) 12:17, 22 January 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

You beat me to it, Joy (edit conflict!). Great work. I suspect it is all working properly now. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 12:19, 22 January 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Thank you - that seems to have fixed it. — The Anome (talk) 12:31, 22 January 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Isn't it excessive? See, e.g., Dynamics_(mechanics)#See_also. fgnievinski (talk) 00:37, 23 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

@Fgnievinski: This is Template talk:Article stub box#CSS edit request following on from Wikipedia talk:Stub#Replace double-blank-line method with CSS. You get the same gap whether you precede the stub template with one, two or three blank lines - two was the recommendation at WP:STUBSPACING until a couple of months ago . But also per WP:STUBSPACING, the tag is in the wrong place anyway, which I have fixed . --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:19, 23 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Thank you for the pointers. Above it was said:

the space now above the template is IMHO generally excessive to the need

I'm inclined to agree with you that the current spacing is somewhat excessive, but a separate discussion would be needed to form consensus to change that.

With that, it's three people pointing out the CSS spacing is excessive: me, @docwatson42, and @User:Mr. Starfleet Command. I suspect the issue arose because stub templates were not always transcluded preceded by two blank lines. fgnievinski (talk) 17:07, 23 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

I also agree that the spacing is excessive. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 22:00, 23 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

The spaciing is the same as it had been before, provided that you had followed the placement guidelines and used two blank lines between the categories and the stub template. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:26, 23 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

And yet it's still perceived as excessive. Can we at least agree on how many complaints it's necessary to action a change? Ten people would seem a reasonable number. fgnievinski (talk) 12:11, 24 February 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

See Special:Permalink/1308943116 for example. When the item immediately preceding the categories is the {{Coord }} template, the extra vertical spacing does not show. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:22, 1 September 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

The CSS that adds the vertical spacing is set up so it doesn't apply if the stub box is immediately preceded by an HTML <p> element (paragraph), so that it doesn't produce too much space in cases where the old method is still used (two blank lines before the stub tag, which creates a blank paragraph). Apparently, the {{Coord }} template generates a paragraph.

Depending on how many pages still use the old method, we might be able to remove the :not(p) from the CSS. That would fix cases like these, but would double the space on pages still using the old method. But I have no idea how many pages still need to be fixed in that way. Does anyone else have input on this matter? Mr. Starfleet Command (talk) 00:05, 2 September 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

A vast majority of pages probably still have the double spaces. This was the first time I noticed one being removed. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:37, 2 September 2025 (UTC) [reply ]