###UPDATE: "New User" vs. "Bad Question"
UPDATE: "New User" vs. "Bad Question"
@Olin and others have made the point that it isn't picking on new users; it is that the question quality is low. Here is a recent example of a question that was closed:
Low-score, non-native speaking (presumably), user asks question. Initially it gets down-voted a lot. The question was improved. A schematic was added. Further detail in response to comments was added.
...and did the down votes go away? No. Did the close votes go away? No. In fact more close votes were added.
"WTF(tm)" is wrong here? What are your standards?
This question makes perfect sense (he wants to split a stereo input while mixing one of the break-outs to mono). Question includes a schematic. It's got a solid answer (with upvotes and comments).
If you voted to close, you either aren't paying sufficient attention or your standard for a question is only those that you know how to answer.
Classic case of beating up on new users. Don't give me that "question is low-quality" BS. There's nothing wrong here now. DV'ers make a snap judgement and then commit to the position even as their concerns get addressed. That's why immediate vote-to-close and down-votes are so destructive to the community.
Fix: Rename to transistor.stackexchange
The problem is in the forum name. Call it transistor.stackexchange and the problem goes away. There are some who down-vote any question not at the transistor level anyway.
If you want to keep the name "electronics" then the forum as a whole (especially the mods and high-score users) need to get over the idea that any question that even remotely looks like a shopping question or an over-reaching ask is immediately DV or close-worthy. Usually these questions are just system-level or product-level from new users.
Either ignore it, or help improve it. But DV'ing just pisses people off. Perhaps someone in the community actually wants to HELP that person.
Stop acting like old people ;-)
Overwhelmingly, new users who ask questions here possess an above-average interest in electronics. That's supposed to be a good thing. THEY ARE NOT PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS... of course, their first question is going to be "wrong".
Closing leaves no opportunity for new-ish users to help other new-ish users get acclimated. So you just bleed off users, or have to do the acclimation work yourselves. Both are bad outcomes.
"Shopping" = pricing questions, nada mas
The only true "shopping" question is "where can I find the best price for x". Everything else is design related. "What are my options?" type questions are no less legitimate than "What's wrong with this approach?" questions. The answers in both cases include the suggestion of alternatives.
So stop DV/C new user questions
You want a bigger community here. You do. Otherwise your 2-million points don't mean anything. Plus, you'll get my respect, which you lose if you DV a question. ;-)
###UPDATE: "New User" vs. "Bad Question"
@Olin and others have made the point that it isn't picking on new users; it is that the question quality is low. Here is a recent example of a question that was closed:
Low-score, non-native speaking (presumably), user asks question. Initially it gets down-voted a lot. The question was improved. A schematic was added. Further detail in response to comments was added.
...and did the down votes go away? No. Did the close votes go away? No. In fact more close votes were added.
"WTF(tm)" is wrong here? What are your standards?
This question makes perfect sense (he wants to split a stereo input while mixing one of the break-outs to mono). Question includes a schematic. It's got a solid answer (with upvotes and comments).
If you voted to close, you either aren't paying sufficient attention or your standard for a question is only those that you know how to answer.
Classic case of beating up on new users. Don't give me that "question is low-quality" BS. There's nothing wrong here now. DV'ers make a snap judgement and then commit to the position even as their concerns get addressed. That's why immediate vote-to-close and down-votes are so destructive to the community.
Fix: Rename to transistor.stackexchange
The problem is in the forum name. Call it transistor.stackexchange and the problem goes away. There are some who down-vote any question not at the transistor level anyway.
If you want to keep the name "electronics" then the forum as a whole (especially the mods and high-score users) need to get over the idea that any question that even remotely looks like a shopping question or an over-reaching ask is immediately DV or close-worthy. Usually these questions are just system-level or product-level from new users.
Either ignore it, or help improve it. But DV'ing just pisses people off. Perhaps someone in the community actually wants to HELP that person.
Stop acting like old people ;-)
Overwhelmingly, new users who ask questions here possess an above-average interest in electronics. That's supposed to be a good thing. THEY ARE NOT PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS... of course, their first question is going to be "wrong".
Closing leaves no opportunity for new-ish users to help other new-ish users get acclimated. So you just bleed off users, or have to do the acclimation work yourselves. Both are bad outcomes.
"Shopping" = pricing questions, nada mas
The only true "shopping" question is "where can I find the best price for x". Everything else is design related. "What are my options?" type questions are no less legitimate than "What's wrong with this approach?" questions. The answers in both cases include the suggestion of alternatives.
So stop DV/C new user questions
You want a bigger community here. You do. Otherwise your 2-million points don't mean anything. Plus, you'll get my respect, which you lose if you DV a question. ;-)
UPDATE: "New User" vs. "Bad Question"
@Olin and others have made the point that it isn't picking on new users; it is that the question quality is low. Here is a recent example of a question that was closed:
Low-score, non-native speaking (presumably), user asks question. Initially it gets down-voted a lot. The question was improved. A schematic was added. Further detail in response to comments was added.
...and did the down votes go away? No. Did the close votes go away? No. In fact more close votes were added.
"WTF(tm)" is wrong here? What are your standards?
This question makes perfect sense (he wants to split a stereo input while mixing one of the break-outs to mono). Question includes a schematic. It's got a solid answer (with upvotes and comments).
If you voted to close, you either aren't paying sufficient attention or your standard for a question is only those that you know how to answer.
Classic case of beating up on new users. Don't give me that "question is low-quality" BS. There's nothing wrong here now. DV'ers make a snap judgement and then commit to the position even as their concerns get addressed. That's why immediate vote-to-close and down-votes are so destructive to the community.
Fix: Rename to transistor.stackexchange
The problem is in the forum name. Call it transistor.stackexchange and the problem goes away. There are some who down-vote any question not at the transistor level anyway.
If you want to keep the name "electronics" then the forum as a whole (especially the mods and high-score users) need to get over the idea that any question that even remotely looks like a shopping question or an over-reaching ask is immediately DV or close-worthy. Usually these questions are just system-level or product-level from new users.
Either ignore it, or help improve it. But DV'ing just pisses people off. Perhaps someone in the community actually wants to HELP that person.
Stop acting like old people ;-)
Overwhelmingly, new users who ask questions here possess an above-average interest in electronics. That's supposed to be a good thing. THEY ARE NOT PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS... of course, their first question is going to be "wrong".
Closing leaves no opportunity for new-ish users to help other new-ish users get acclimated. So you just bleed off users, or have to do the acclimation work yourselves. Both are bad outcomes.
"Shopping" = pricing questions, nada mas
The only true "shopping" question is "where can I find the best price for x". Everything else is design related. "What are my options?" type questions are no less legitimate than "What's wrong with this approach?" questions. The answers in both cases include the suggestion of alternatives.
So stop DV/C new user questions
You want a bigger community here. You do. Otherwise your 2-million points don't mean anything. Plus, you'll get my respect, which you lose if you DV a question. ;-)
###UPDATE: "New User" vs. "Bad Question"
@Olin and others have made the point that it isn't picking on new users; it is that the question quality is low. Here is a recent example of a question that was closed:
Easiest Way to Split Audio Easiest Way to Split Audio
Low-score, non-native speaking (presumably), user asks question. Initially it gets down-voted a lot. The question was improved. A schematic was added. Further detail in response to comments was added.
...and did the down votes go away? No. Did the close votes go away? No. In fact more close votes were added.
"WTF(tm)" is wrong here? What are your standards?
This question makes perfect sense (he wants to split a stereo input while mixing one of the break-outs to mono). Question includes a schematic. It's got a solid answer (with upvotes and comments).
If you voted to close, you either aren't paying sufficient attention or your standard for a question is only those that you know how to answer.
Classic case of beating up on new users. Don't give me that "question is low-quality" BS. There's nothing wrong here now. DV'ers make a snap judgement and then commit to the position even as their concerns get addressed. That's why immediate vote-to-close and down-votes are so destructive to the community.
Fix: Rename to transistor.stackexchange
The problem is in the forum name. Call it transistor.stackexchange and the problem goes away. There are some who down-vote any question not at the transistor level anyway.
If you want to keep the name "electronics" then the forum as a whole (especially the mods and high-score users) need to get over the idea that any question that even remotely looks like a shopping question or an over-reaching ask is immediately DV or close-worthy. Usually these questions are just system-level or product-level from new users.
Either ignore it, or help improve it. But DV'ing just pisses people off. Perhaps someone in the community actually wants to HELP that person.
Stop acting like old people ;-)
Overwhelmingly, new users who ask questions here possess an above-average interest in electronics. That's supposed to be a good thing. THEY ARE NOT PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS... of course, their first question is going to be "wrong".
Closing leaves no opportunity for new-ish users to help other new-ish users get acclimated. So you just bleed off users, or have to do the acclimation work yourselves. Both are bad outcomes.
"Shopping" = pricing questions, nada mas
The only true "shopping" question is "where can I find the best price for x". Everything else is design related. "What are my options?" type questions are no less legitimate than "What's wrong with this approach?" questions. The answers in both cases include the suggestion of alternatives.
So stop DV/C new user questions
You want a bigger community here. You do. Otherwise your 2-million points don't mean anything. Plus, you'll get my respect, which you lose if you DV a question. ;-)
###UPDATE: "New User" vs. "Bad Question"
@Olin and others have made the point that it isn't picking on new users; it is that the question quality is low. Here is a recent example of a question that was closed:
Low-score, non-native speaking (presumably), user asks question. Initially it gets down-voted a lot. The question was improved. A schematic was added. Further detail in response to comments was added.
...and did the down votes go away? No. Did the close votes go away? No. In fact more close votes were added.
"WTF(tm)" is wrong here? What are your standards?
This question makes perfect sense (he wants to split a stereo input while mixing one of the break-outs to mono). Question includes a schematic. It's got a solid answer (with upvotes and comments).
If you voted to close, you either aren't paying sufficient attention or your standard for a question is only those that you know how to answer.
Classic case of beating up on new users. Don't give me that "question is low-quality" BS. There's nothing wrong here now. DV'ers make a snap judgement and then commit to the position even as their concerns get addressed. That's why immediate vote-to-close and down-votes are so destructive to the community.
Fix: Rename to transistor.stackexchange
The problem is in the forum name. Call it transistor.stackexchange and the problem goes away. There are some who down-vote any question not at the transistor level anyway.
If you want to keep the name "electronics" then the forum as a whole (especially the mods and high-score users) need to get over the idea that any question that even remotely looks like a shopping question or an over-reaching ask is immediately DV or close-worthy. Usually these questions are just system-level or product-level from new users.
Either ignore it, or help improve it. But DV'ing just pisses people off. Perhaps someone in the community actually wants to HELP that person.
Stop acting like old people ;-)
Overwhelmingly, new users who ask questions here possess an above-average interest in electronics. That's supposed to be a good thing. THEY ARE NOT PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS... of course, their first question is going to be "wrong".
Closing leaves no opportunity for new-ish users to help other new-ish users get acclimated. So you just bleed off users, or have to do the acclimation work yourselves. Both are bad outcomes.
"Shopping" = pricing questions, nada mas
The only true "shopping" question is "where can I find the best price for x". Everything else is design related. "What are my options?" type questions are no less legitimate than "What's wrong with this approach?" questions. The answers in both cases include the suggestion of alternatives.
So stop DV/C new user questions
You want a bigger community here. You do. Otherwise your 2-million points don't mean anything. Plus, you'll get my respect, which you lose if you DV a question. ;-)
###UPDATE: "New User" vs. "Bad Question"
@Olin and others have made the point that it isn't picking on new users; it is that the question quality is low. Here is a recent example of a question that was closed:
Low-score, non-native speaking (presumably), user asks question. Initially it gets down-voted a lot. The question was improved. A schematic was added. Further detail in response to comments was added.
...and did the down votes go away? No. Did the close votes go away? No. In fact more close votes were added.
"WTF(tm)" is wrong here? What are your standards?
This question makes perfect sense (he wants to split a stereo input while mixing one of the break-outs to mono). Question includes a schematic. It's got a solid answer (with upvotes and comments).
If you voted to close, you either aren't paying sufficient attention or your standard for a question is only those that you know how to answer.
Classic case of beating up on new users. Don't give me that "question is low-quality" BS. There's nothing wrong here now. DV'ers make a snap judgement and then commit to the position even as their concerns get addressed. That's why immediate vote-to-close and down-votes are so destructive to the community.
Fix: Rename to transistor.stackexchange
The problem is in the forum name. Call it transistor.stackexchange and the problem goes away. There are some who down-vote any question not at the transistor level anyway.
If you want to keep the name "electronics" then the forum as a whole (especially the mods and high-score users) need to get over the idea that any question that even remotely looks like a shopping question or an over-reaching ask is immediately DV or close-worthy. Usually these questions are just system-level or product-level from new users.
Either ignore it, or help improve it. But DV'ing just pisses people off. Perhaps someone in the community actually wants to HELP that person.
Stop acting like old people ;-)
Overwhelmingly, new users who ask questions here possess an above-average interest in electronics. That's supposed to be a good thing. THEY ARE NOT PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS... of course, their first question is going to be "wrong".
Closing leaves no opportunity for new-ish users to help other new-ish users get acclimated. So you just bleed off users, or have to do the acclimation work yourselves. Both are bad outcomes.
"Shopping" = pricing questions, nada mas
The only true "shopping" question is "where can I find the best price for x". Everything else is design related. "What are my options?" type questions are no less legitimate than "What's wrong with this approach?" questions. The answers in both cases include the suggestion of alternatives.
So stop DV/C new user questions
You want a bigger community here. You do. Otherwise your 2-million points don't mean anything. Plus, you'll get my respect, which you lose if you DV a question. ;-)
###UPDATE: "New User" vs. "Bad Question"
@Olin and others have made the point that it isn't picking on new users; it is that the question quality is low. Here is a recent example of a question that was closed:
Low-score, non-native speaking (presumably), user asks question. Initially it gets down-voted a lot. The question was improved. A schematic was added. Further detail in response to comments was added.
...and did the down votes go away? No. Did the close votes go away? No. In fact more close votes were added.
"WTF(tm)" is wrong here? What are your standards?
This question makes perfect sense (he wants to split a stereo input while mixing one of the break-outs to mono). Question includes a schematic. It's got a solid answer (with upvotes and comments).
If you voted to close, you either aren't paying sufficient attention or your standard for a question is only those that you know how to answer.
Classic case of beating up on new users. Don't give me that "question is low-quality" BS. There's nothing wrong here now. DV'ers make a snap judgement and then commit to the position even as their concerns get addressed. That's why immediate vote-to-close and down-votes are so destructive to the community.
Fix: Rename to transistor.stackexchange
The problem is in the forum name. Call it transistor.stackexchange and the problem goes away. There are some who down-vote any question not at the transistor level anyway.
If you want to keep the name "electronics" then the forum as a whole (especially the mods and high-score users) need to get over the idea that any question that even remotely looks like a shopping question or an over-reaching ask is immediately DV or close-worthy. Usually these questions are just system-level or product-level from new users.
Either ignore it, or help improve it. But DV'ing just pisses people off. Perhaps someone in the community actually wants to HELP that person.
Stop acting like old people ;-)
Overwhelmingly, new users who ask questions here possess an above-average interest in electronics. That's supposed to be a good thing. THEY ARE NOT PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS... of course, their first question is going to be "wrong".
Closing leaves no opportunity for new-ish users to help other new-ish users get acclimated. So you just bleed off users, or have to do the acclimation work yourselves. Both are bad outcomes.
"Shopping" = pricing questions, nada mas
The only true "shopping" question is "where can I find the best price for x". Everything else is design related. "What are my options?" type questions are no less legitimate than "What's wrong with this approach?" questions. The answers in both cases include the suggestion of alternatives.
So stop DV/C new user questions
You want a bigger community here. You do. Otherwise your 2-million points don't mean anything. Plus, you'll get my respect, which you lose if you DV a question. ;-)
Fix: Rename to transistor.stackexchange
The problem is in the forum name. Call it transistor.stackexchange and the problem goes away. There are some who down-vote any question not at the transistor level anyway.
If you want to keep the name "electronics" then the forum as a whole (especially the mods and high-score users) need to get over the idea that any question that even remotely looks like a shopping question or an over-reaching ask is immediately DV or close-worthy. Usually these questions are just system-level or product-level from new users.
Either ignore it, or help improve it. But DV'ing just pisses people off. Perhaps someone in the community actually wants to HELP that person.
Stop acting like old people ;-)
Overwhelmingly, new users who ask questions here possess an above-average interest in electronics. That's supposed to be a good thing. THEY ARE NOT PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS... of course, their first question is going to be "wrong".
Closing leaves no opportunity for new-ish users to help other new-ish users get acclimated. So you just bleed off users, or have to do the acclimation work yourselves. Both are bad outcomes.
"Shopping" = pricing questions, nada mas
The only true "shopping" question is "where can I find the best price for x". Everything else is design related. "What are my options?" type questions are no less legitimate than "What's wrong with this approach?" questions. The answers in both cases include the suggestion of alternatives.
So stop DV/C new user questions
You want a bigger community here. You do. Otherwise your 2-million points don't mean anything. Plus, you'll get my respect, which you lose if you DV a question. ;-)
###UPDATE: "New User" vs. "Bad Question"
@Olin and others have made the point that it isn't picking on new users; it is that the question quality is low. Here is a recent example of a question that was closed:
Low-score, non-native speaking (presumably), user asks question. Initially it gets down-voted a lot. The question was improved. A schematic was added. Further detail in response to comments was added.
...and did the down votes go away? No. Did the close votes go away? No. In fact more close votes were added.
"WTF(tm)" is wrong here? What are your standards?
This question makes perfect sense (he wants to split a stereo input while mixing one of the break-outs to mono). Question includes a schematic. It's got a solid answer (with upvotes and comments).
If you voted to close, you either aren't paying sufficient attention or your standard for a question is only those that you know how to answer.
Classic case of beating up on new users. Don't give me that "question is low-quality" BS. There's nothing wrong here now. DV'ers make a snap judgement and then commit to the position even as their concerns get addressed. That's why immediate vote-to-close and down-votes are so destructive to the community.
Fix: Rename to transistor.stackexchange
The problem is in the forum name. Call it transistor.stackexchange and the problem goes away. There are some who down-vote any question not at the transistor level anyway.
If you want to keep the name "electronics" then the forum as a whole (especially the mods and high-score users) need to get over the idea that any question that even remotely looks like a shopping question or an over-reaching ask is immediately DV or close-worthy. Usually these questions are just system-level or product-level from new users.
Either ignore it, or help improve it. But DV'ing just pisses people off. Perhaps someone in the community actually wants to HELP that person.
Stop acting like old people ;-)
Overwhelmingly, new users who ask questions here possess an above-average interest in electronics. That's supposed to be a good thing. THEY ARE NOT PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS... of course, their first question is going to be "wrong".
Closing leaves no opportunity for new-ish users to help other new-ish users get acclimated. So you just bleed off users, or have to do the acclimation work yourselves. Both are bad outcomes.
"Shopping" = pricing questions, nada mas
The only true "shopping" question is "where can I find the best price for x". Everything else is design related. "What are my options?" type questions are no less legitimate than "What's wrong with this approach?" questions. The answers in both cases include the suggestion of alternatives.
So stop DV/C new user questions
You want a bigger community here. You do. Otherwise your 2-million points don't mean anything. Plus, you'll get my respect, which you lose if you DV a question. ;-)