On 15/07/2025 10:25, Will Godfrey wrote:
On 2025年5月29日 20:31:06 +1000
Roger <gurusonic@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 29/5/25 20:02, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
Hi LAU and LAD,
It seems that (FLOSS) audio editors (not DAWs) are all either
dead/obsolate (mhwaveditor, rezound), in strange development states
(Audacity, Tenacity).
[...]
I use Audacity regularly and it works fine, version 3.7 is quite good.
Keenly awaiting v.4 as all older versions had UI issues on hi-res
screens and the v.4 UI looks promising. I tried the pre-alpha but it was
basically not working.
Tenacity is a long way behind in development and its main premise for
existence, ie. telemetry, was dropped from Audacity in Linux at least.
I do have quite a lot of (LV2) plugins and being on Manjaro (Arch based)
I noticed I am in a strange situation where I have indeed duplicates of
plugins in both /usr/lib and /usr/lib64 - but this is another story
which is weird because apart from maybe Yoshimi I either install plugins
from repositories or AUR and if I download any binary ones put them in
~/.lv2
The issue with Audacity is that it takes ages to search for plugins
(VSTs, LV2, whatnot), and even cancelling won't help. Disabling all
plugins also doesn't seem to help. And I can't seem to find ways to
disable non-audaicity plugins, so Audacity insists in scanning plugins
at start-up no matter what.
In Tenacity there is an option to disable non-native plugins but it
seems to be ignored because it complains at least about LV2 duplicates,
plus there doesn't seem a way to specify explicitly which directories to
search plugins for.
In comparison Ardour or Carla load blazingly fast even with the many
plugins I have installed. Ardour finds newly installed plugins on
startup really fast, and in both even doing a full re-scanning for
specific plugin-types does take a while but is relatively fast.
The paradox is that ideally I don't really need external plugins (LV2,
VST) in this kind of editor as I find the 'native' ones suffice for this
kind of audio editing. I even tried compiling tenacity without any
plugin support but it was rocket science and while I managed it in the
end (and it took really really long and lots of CPU power), resulting in
decent start-up time it's not a very maintainable solution.
On the other hand mhwaveedit, GTK2 more ore less abandoned software -
alas, loads large stereo wave files quite fast, has all basic editing
features and a practical recording interface which works well when
recording via jack which it supports natively; it also sort of works
with pipewire (albeit with some lag in play/stop). It actually even has
LADSPA support which I seldom use as the interface is really hardly
usable with more complex plugins.
Actually, I admit to having started recently to use a couple of Ardour
sessions set-up for 'audio editing' where I just dump files I want to
edit, edit them and then quick export via the start/end markers. This is
still not as fast as an editor and in the long-run the session gets
quite messy (if not cleaned up), but it is also a creative work-around
option and you get the mighty power of Ardour like busses, effects etc. :-)
Maybe (ab)using Ardour like this could be streamlined (hacked) via
scripting, ardour session manipulation (which is XML), but not sure it's
worth the effort :-D
Lorenzo
PS: for both Tenacity (via bug report) and Audacity (via their 'forum')
I did report these issues.
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