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Re: Debian 13 Trixie released. upgrade options?

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2025 9:10 am

by ducarpit

Hi all,
anyone know when an official Raspberry Pi OS image based on Debian 13 will be released in the official website to make a new fresh installation?
Christian

Re: Debian 13 Trixie released. upgrade options?

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2025 10:18 am

by hippy

ducarpit wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 22, 2025 9:10 am
anyone know when an official Raspberry Pi OS image based on Debian 13 will be released in the official website to make a new fresh installation?

Those working on it may have some ETA they are working towards but haven't announced one. Everyone else will be guessing.

Raspberry PI never announce future release dates except when they do.

Re: Debian 13 Trixie released. upgrade options?

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2025 10:23 am

by jamesh

No dates as yet - still making sure everything works.

Re: Debian 13 Trixie released. upgrade options?

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2025 6:56 pm

by saud

jamesh wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 22, 2025 10:23 am
No dates as yet - still making sure everything works.

Is Debian 13 also going to support 32 bit? I have a Raspberry 1 which I would like to upgrade to 13.

Re: Debian 13 Trixie released. upgrade options?

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2025 7:07 pm

by hippy

jamesh wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 01, 2025 10:26 am
We will continue to support 32-bit as long as we produce 32-bit devices.

Re: Debian 13 Trixie released. upgrade options?

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2025 1:33 am

by RonR

ducarpit wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 22, 2025 9:10 am
anyone know when an official Raspberry Pi OS image based on Debian 13 will be released in the official website to make a new fresh installation?

Build the image(s) you need yourself: Raspberry Pi OS Image Creation : Made Easy

Re: Debian 13 Trixie released. upgrade options?

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2025 11:24 pm

by peatrick

Thanks to everyone who made suggestions here. I managed to burn up another micro SD Card, from my little Pi-hole + Unbound appliance, only the second time i've had to replace the physical card, in nearly a decade. Started with fresh, official Raspbian Lite image, ran all upgrades, then replaced `bookworm` with `trixie` and off to the races.

Had to fiddle with my real-time hardware clock, as the last time i had to set that up was probably ~2018, but all appears to be working well.

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OS: Debian GNU/Linux 13 (trixie) aarch64
Host: Raspberry Pi 3 Model B Plus Rev 1.3
Kernel: Linux 6.12.47+rpt-rpi-v8
CPU: BCM2837 (4) @ 1.40 GHz
GPU: Broadcom bcm2835-vc4 [Integrated]
Memory: 222.83 MiB / 906.04 MiB (25%)

Re: Debian 13 Trixie released. upgrade options?

Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2025 7:58 pm

by Wobbo

⚠️ Do this entirely at your own risk
It’s always safest to wait until the Raspberry Pi team releases an official Raspberry Pi OS based on Debian 13. That way you know everything has been tested and is supported.

If you really can’t wait, you can try upgrading manually by editing your sources:

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sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list.d/raspi.list

Replace all bookworm with trixie, then run:

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sudo apt update
sudo apt full-upgrade

I do not recommend upgrading your main installation this way.
If you want to experiment, try it first on a fresh/empty install so you know what to expect.
Always make backups and be prepared to reinstall from scratch if something goes wrong.

Some users reported success with this method, but there is no guarantee it will work for everyone.

Re: Debian 13 Trixie released. upgrade options?

Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2025 8:10 pm

by bensimmo

Wobbo wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 27, 2025 7:58 pm
⚠️ Do this entirely at your own risk
It’s always safest to wait until the Raspberry Pi team releases an official Raspberry Pi OS based on Debian 13. That way you know everything has been tested and is supported.

If you really can’t wait, you can try upgrading manually by editing your sources:
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sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list.d/raspi.list
Replace all bookworm with trixie, then run:
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sudo apt update
sudo apt full-upgrade
I do not recommend upgrading your main installation this way.
If you want to experiment, try it first on a fresh/empty install so you know what to expect.
Always make backups and be prepared to reinstall from scratch if something goes wrong.

Some users reported success with this method, but there is no guarantee it will work for everyone.

Or follow the better, more complete, method provided in the beta forum... (And linked to previously in the topic)
The above would possibly mess up a desktop setup

Re: Debian 13 Trixie released. upgrade options?

Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2025 4:09 pm

by Wobbo

bensimmo wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 27, 2025 8:10 pm
Or follow the better, more complete, method provided in the beta forum... (And linked to previously in the topic)
The above would possibly mess up a desktop setup

You are absolutely right 👍

I first tried this on Raspberry Pi OS Lite (Debian 12) and installed a desktop environment on top. Later I also used the same method on my running Raspberry Pi OS Debian 12 GNOME system to upgrade to Debian 13, and it worked for me. But for desktop users the more complete method from the beta forum is definitely the safer choice — thanks for pointing that out!

Re: Debian 13 Trixie released. upgrade options?

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2025 7:53 am

by dwam

Trixie will be released in the next days now. If you can't wait to test it, a Release Candidate version is available

viewtopic.php?t=392192

It features the new theme and a new customization system called "Cloud-init". Obviously it's built on Debian 13, so called "Trixie"
Read the thread carefully if you need SSH activated at first boot
Been using it since day 1, it's great !

You might also use the Trixie nightly builds images :

viewtopic.php?t=391129

They are safe. Do not have all the very new features (which come from a private repo) but it's a good way to check Trixie before it's officially released for RPI.

Alternatively, you can also generate with own Trixie installation images using "Raspberry Pi OS Image Creation : Made Easy"

viewtopic.php?t=375831

It supports all versions for Bookworm and Trixie.

And if you prefer to upgrade from a fresh Bookworm, I gave the complete procedure here with an option to install KDE Plasma on top of it at the end. This is my main RPI5 setup, it's beautiful and it's rock solid!

viewtopic.php?p=2338118#p2337736

But as already mentioned before in this thread, do not try to upgrade your current Bookworm install. Get a new SD card or USB stick and start from scratch. Then you can plug your current SD card and move your existing files to the new system easily

Have fun !

Re: Debian 13 Trixie released. upgrade options?

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2025 5:27 pm

by Eirikr70

I use my Pi4 as a distant backup server, so I have no physical access for it. I upgraded to Trixie today, the live and hard way. It runs smoothly. So I can confirm that very clean Raspberry Pi OS light install can be upgraded easily.

Re: Debian 13 Trixie released. upgrade options?

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2025 6:09 pm

by saud

Debian 13 has been released

Re: Debian 13 Trixie released. upgrade options?

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2025 6:21 pm

by dwam

saud wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 02, 2025 6:09 pm
Debian 13 has been released

Yes ! On the 9th of August 2025...
Maybe you meant RasPI OS based on Debian 13 'Trixie' has been released this morning ?
It's working great actually !

viewtopic.php?t=392378

Re: Debian 13 Trixie released. upgrade options?

Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2025 10:02 am

by mby

Initial try of in-place upgrade worked nicely (a big thank you to the team!), but the inherent migration of Dovecot 2.3 --> 2.4 is my showstopper; going back to bookworm for the time being.

Re: Debian 13 Trixie released. upgrade options?

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2025 5:17 am

by CoopMeisterFresh

redvli wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 10, 2025 7:25 am
So it is about how well RPL patches work with Debian Testing (Trixie since a few hours).

Can you elaborate on this please? It seems as though you meant to say "Forky since a few hours", not Trixie, since this entire topic is about Trixie becoming the new Debian Stable (or am I totally misunderstanding the situation??).

I have an RPi 4 on which I've had "pure" Trixie (not RPiOS) fully up and running well for about a year or two (so long that I can't remember how long lol). I did this by manually updating my 'sources.list' to point to 'trixie', not 'testing' or anything else that may be unsupported.

So imagine my surprise when an in-place upgrade attempt seems to have left me with an unbootable system, where there are no systemd, init, udevd or modprobe binaries to be found in the expected places (although they do still exist in their old locations).

This is still my own fault (and partially OpenAI's fault) since:

I should have followed the golden rule and backed up before I did anything!
I shouldn't have asked an AI chatbot how to complete such a complex and unsupported process.
Said chatbot shouldn't have led me down the garden path and made me think that I could do this by using a complex Bash script to exclude system-level packages from a 'sudo apt install <packages>' command (about a day of my life wasted there).
I probably should have just followed the official documentation re: upgrading from Bookworm - although does this apply if you're actually upgrading from an existing Trixie install, but just from when it was Debian Testing instead of Debian Stable?

Would a simple 'sudo apt full-upgrade' have been more likely to work? I only ask for future reference, since I much-prefer the idea of doing in-place upgrades regularly instead of having to maintain a rolling image backup system (I don't have the money for cloud storage or new storage media, and even if I did, I don't really want to if it can be avoided). MTIA :D

EDIT: Never mind, I ended up going for the `full-upgrade` since it makes sense when you *really* think about it. Being on Trixie already *proves* that the upgrade is very likely to succeed, and I can't even think of a reason why this might still fail. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but anyway, it worked in this case.

I can now browse files on my Pi's NAS from any LAN-connected device, Pi-Hole is back up and running again (it never actually stopped!), and Unbound is correctly resolving my DNS queries. In other words, everything is back to normal, all I ever needed to do was a `full-upgrade` from the start, and trying to manually upgrade packages individually was what actually broke things, since I accidentally upgraded some system-level packages (via dependency resolution) but not all of them!

P.S. I also owe you a huge thank you and apology for the lateness of it redvli...we've spoken before about my Pi setup woes and I never replied to your final post on that thread. I don't remember exactly what happened after my final post on that thread, but my 'fdisk' output now shows exactly what I was hoping to achieve, so I must've followed your advice, and it's kept me running safely for almost two years! So thank you for that! :D

Re: Debian 13 Trixie released. upgrade options?

Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2025 6:18 am

by fjleon

i decided to follow the steps on viewtopic.php?t=392376. there were a lot of warnings, but eventually the upgrade worked.

however, upon reboot, some of my docker containers, including home assistant and portainer, seemed to work any longer. upon research, turns out that it was not the process of upgrading and rather the fact that trixie uses a new docker version which portainer doesn't support yet. i found a workaround to start docker with an older api which seems to have fixed everything