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procount
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Re: STICKY: PINN - An enhanced version of NOOBS.

Sat Mar 08, 2025 12:39 am

Please boot into PINN twice and then try again. Hopefully it's fixed now.
PINN - NOOBS with the extras... https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=142574

Eamoex
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Re: STICKY: PINN - An enhanced version of NOOBS.

Sat Mar 08, 2025 1:00 pm

Hello, I'm trying to install a dual boot RaspberryOS/RetroPie on my Pi 5 NVMe drive. I have copied the gz compressed RetroPie image to the /os/ folder in a subfolder called retropie.

Of course the OS does not appear in the PINN installation list yet.

What are suporting JSON files and how to find/create them?

Eamoex
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Re: STICKY: PINN - An enhanced version of NOOBS.

Sat Mar 08, 2025 1:43 pm

Ah... just found https://github.com/procount/pinn/issues/88, and I saw a RetroPie3 folder in the list. But your post there also points to https://raw.githubusercontent.com/proco ... pie48.json, which somehow looks more recent. Should I use this JSON somehow?

blackestflag
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Re: STICKY: PINN - An enhanced version of NOOBS.

Sat Mar 08, 2025 2:05 pm

procount wrote:
Sat Mar 08, 2025 12:39 am
Please boot into PINN twice and then try again. Hopefully it's fixed now.
Was that reply for me procount ?

procount
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Re: STICKY: PINN - An enhanced version of NOOBS.

Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:26 pm

blackestflag wrote:
Sat Mar 08, 2025 2:05 pm
procount wrote:
Sat Mar 08, 2025 12:39 am
Please boot into PINN twice and then try again. Hopefully it's fixed now.
Was that reply for me procount ?
Sorry for not quoting, but yes.
PINN - NOOBS with the extras... https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=142574

procount
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Re: STICKY: PINN - An enhanced version of NOOBS.

Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:41 pm

Eamoex wrote:
Sat Mar 08, 2025 1:00 pm
Hello, I'm trying to install a dual boot RaspberryOS/RetroPie on my Pi 5 NVMe drive. I have copied the gz compressed RetroPie image to the /os/ folder in a subfolder called retropie.

Of course the OS does not appear in the PINN installation list yet.

What are suporting JSON files and how to find/create them?
PINN does not install "images".
Please read the User Guide at https://github.com/procount/pinn/blob/m ... ME_PINN.md for a more complete understanding.
There is no official Retropie image for the RPi5 yet, so you're best bet is to use PINN to install Retropie Lite, and then follow the instructions on the Retropie website on how to install the Retropie application onto that image.

When an official image becomes available, if you want to do the conversion yourself, or just understand how to convert an image to PINN installation files, please read https://github.com/procount/pinn/wiki/H ... using-PINN as an example (but each OS is different).
PINN - NOOBS with the extras... https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=142574

Eamoex
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Re: STICKY: PINN - An enhanced version of NOOBS.

Sun Mar 09, 2025 3:38 pm

Thank you procount.

Now another problem which I can't seem to solve (I know almost nothing about Linux systems). Whichever OS I install using PINN boots to a command line with prompt "(initramfs)". I've tried RaspberryOS 64-bit Full and RaspberryOS Lite.

procount
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Re: STICKY: PINN - An enhanced version of NOOBS.

Sun Mar 09, 2025 4:20 pm

Eamoex wrote:
Sun Mar 09, 2025 3:38 pm
Thank you procount.

Now another problem which I can't seem to solve (I know almost nothing about Linux systems). Whichever OS I install using PINN boots to a command line with prompt "(initramfs)". I've tried RaspberryOS 64-bit Full and RaspberryOS Lite.
Hmm. You've probably done something wrong.
Did you install PINN to your NVME first?
PINN - NOOBS with the extras... https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=142574

Eamoex
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Re: STICKY: PINN - An enhanced version of NOOBS.

Sun Mar 09, 2025 5:58 pm

Yes, I copied the PINN files to a freshly formatted NVMe drive. Then I booted from there and proceeded to make partitions and install OSes from the PINN GUI.

The OS splash screen shows, but then I end up on the initramfs prompt.

procount
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Re: STICKY: PINN - An enhanced version of NOOBS.

Sun Mar 09, 2025 8:43 pm

Can you check your bootloader is up to date?
PINN - NOOBS with the extras... https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=142574

Eamoex
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Re: STICKY: PINN - An enhanced version of NOOBS.

Mon Mar 10, 2025 7:35 am

Is this what you do with command 'pi-eeprom-update'? Because if it is, I have done it.

Eamoex
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Re: STICKY: PINN - An enhanced version of NOOBS.

Mon Mar 10, 2025 11:00 pm

Okay, I now understand what the bootloader is and I confirm it is latest.

Anyway, thanks for your links and the very well written documentation. I'm now going to try to make a dual boot out of 2 working installs as per your guide here: https://github.com/procount/pinn/wiki/H ... using-PINN

I guess at "Step 4 - Make a PINN Bootable SD card", I can simply replace the SD card by my NVMe drive?

procount
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Re: STICKY: PINN - An enhanced version of NOOBS.

Tue Mar 11, 2025 12:14 am

Eamoex wrote:
Mon Mar 10, 2025 11:00 pm
Okay, I now understand what the bootloader is and I confirm it is latest.

Anyway, thanks for your links and the very well written documentation. I'm now going to try to make a dual boot out of 2 working installs as per your guide here: https://github.com/procount/pinn/wiki/H ... using-PINN
If you are still booting into an (initramfs), I suggest you try to sort that out before even attempting to create your own multi-boot installation.
Have you tried booting Raspberry Pi OS on your NVME directly without PINN?
Once that works, install PINN to your NVME and then use PINN to install Raspberry Pi OS.
Only when you have that working should you start creating your own OS installations.
Eamoex wrote:
Mon Mar 10, 2025 11:00 pm
I guess at "Step 4 - Make a PINN Bootable SD card", I can simply replace the SD card by my NVMe drive?
Yes, but Step 4 is the old way of installing PINN. These days its better to use RPi Image Installer. For installing to NVME, I find using the built-in net-installer to run RPi image installer is the easiest way.
PINN - NOOBS with the extras... https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=142574

Eamoex
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Re: STICKY: PINN - An enhanced version of NOOBS.

Tue Mar 11, 2025 7:30 am

Thank you procount. I'm sorry I'm not very savvy with RPi, could you please confirm these?
procount wrote:
Tue Mar 11, 2025 12:14 am
Have you tried booting Raspberry Pi OS on your NVME directly without PINN?
You mean by installing it using the RPi Imager (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspbe ... g-utility/)?
procount wrote:
Tue Mar 11, 2025 12:14 am
For installing to NVME, I find using the built-in net-installer to run RPi image installer is the easiest way.
You mean there is an "internet" install of PINN available through the RPi Imager?

AndrewJohnson
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Re: STICKY: PINN - An enhanced version of NOOBS.

Thu Mar 13, 2025 10:05 pm

HI there

I had a good look for this feature... Is there a way to make Pinn *always* boot the 1st OS in the list - rather than the last one that was booted, please?

I am using OSMC but occasionally want to boot Recalbox but when I quit that, I want it to reboot to OSMC, not RecalBox

Many thanks for any tips!

procount
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Re: STICKY: PINN - An enhanced version of NOOBS.

Thu Mar 13, 2025 10:23 pm

Use the Sticky Default flag by ticking the checkbox next to OSMC on the boot selection dialog, without forcetrigger.
That will make PINN act as if OSMC was the only OS installed and would boot it each time.
When you want to boot Recalbox, press Shift at startup to go into the recovery menu, then Esc to get to the boot selection dialog and select Recalbox. Next time it will revert to booting OSMC.
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AndrewJohnson
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Re: STICKY: PINN - An enhanced version of NOOBS.

Thu Mar 13, 2025 10:36 pm

Thanks for fast response - so when you set that "stickyboot" flag, which of the PINN config files gets changed - noobs.conf?

It's painful to go through that sequence to use RecalBox and almost as easy just to have it on a USB stick, as I was doing before - and then using the "spacebar boot menu" in the raspi firmware (but you have to be quick for that!)

It would be nice if PINN operated like a BIOS boot menu, booting to a default option unless it was deselected within a timeout. That's how I was hoping PINN could operate. Perhaps I can write some kind of script to add this option!

procount
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Re: STICKY: PINN - An enhanced version of NOOBS.

Thu Mar 13, 2025 11:10 pm

AndrewJohnson wrote:
Thu Mar 13, 2025 10:36 pm
Thanks for fast response - so when you set that "stickyboot" flag, which of the PINN config files gets changed - noobs.conf?
Yes
AndrewJohnson wrote:
Thu Mar 13, 2025 10:36 pm
It's painful to go through that sequence to use RecalBox and almost as easy just to have it on a USB stick, as I was doing before - and then using the "spacebar boot menu" in the raspi firmware (but you have to be quick for that!)
I'm not sure "painful" is an accurate description of pressing the shift and Escape keys. :o
Remember that PINN is a fork of the original NOOBS program, and any new features I added had to fit into the existing architecture so that I could always integrate the latest version of NOOBS into it.
AndrewJohnson wrote:
Thu Mar 13, 2025 10:36 pm
It would be nice if PINN operated like a BIOS boot menu, booting to a default option unless it was deselected within a timeout. That's how I was hoping PINN could operate.
Now that NOOBS is deprecated I have more freedom to change PINN's architecture and plan something along these lines. However, I am concentrating on fixing the Pi5 freezing problem before I add any more features.
AndrewJohnson wrote:
Thu Mar 13, 2025 10:36 pm
Perhaps I can write some kind of script to add this option!
You could use a switch on a GPIO pin along with conditional statements in autoboot.txt to change the boot_partition. There are some recent posts about this.
PINN - NOOBS with the extras... https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=142574

AndrewJohnson
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Re: STICKY: PINN - An enhanced version of NOOBS.

Thu Mar 13, 2025 11:35 pm

Thanks for the info and the software!! It's certainly pretty amazing how you can download all the OSs etc from a menu!

salto
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Re: STICKY: PINN - An enhanced version of NOOBS.

Sun Mar 16, 2025 6:33 pm

I very much appreciate PINN. It's working fine on my Pi5, on a pci nvme, with a wired keyboard. The keyboard offers a 2.4GHz wireless option which I would like to use. I switched to that mode, and rebooted. PINN ran, but wanted to install operating systems. I powered the Pi off with the button, switched my keyboard back to wired mode, and all seems well.

Is it possible to use a wireless keyboard?

procount
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Re: STICKY: PINN - An enhanced version of NOOBS.

Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:50 am

No, not yet.
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Thomas_D_2308
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Re: STICKY: PINN - An enhanced version of NOOBS.

Mon Mar 17, 2025 5:30 pm

1. Raspberry Pi OS 64-bit Desktop won't boot; only Lite with a manually installed desktop works—does anyone else have this issue, and can it be resolved?

2. How can I change the icons in PINN that appear before the selectable OS options in the boot selection menu?

lxne
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Re: STICKY: PINN - An enhanced version of NOOBS.

Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:52 pm

Hi, batocera 41 is out.
In PINN it still is 39.
Any updates on any updates?
:)

Becatto
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Tue Mar 18, 2025 5:56 am

Might I ask how the Windows 98 emulation was done? Thinking of turning my Raspberry Pi 3B into a Windows 98 emulating machine. :)
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procount
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Tue Mar 18, 2025 9:09 am

Becatto wrote:
Tue Mar 18, 2025 5:56 am
Might I ask how the Windows 98 emulation was done? Thinking of turning my Raspberry Pi 3B into a Windows 98 emulating machine. :)
You can ask, but I have no idea. Better to ask the original authors. That's a very old implementation now, but you could just install it and try it.
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