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openbsd98324
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Goodbye Linux - Welcome BSD ;)

Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:10 pm

Hello,


Screenshots:
Image

Image

Some time ago, the website was useful on Windows XP and quite popular to install Linux (using Windows) at reboot:
https://www.goodbye-microsoft.com/stati ... loader.exe

URL: https://www.goodbye-microsoft.com/



A similar approach - as a third party is to run NetBSD from a few command lines on a Raspberry PI3 (RPI3b and RPI3b+). All models of RPI3 are fine.
- Third Party / It is userland -

1.) Put a Pendrive in USB port of your RPI3

2.)
Add sudo before zcat, or "sudo su" to gain usual access, accordingly.

Note: it will wipe your pendrive and sd/mmc with the new system.

Code: Select all

wget -c --no-check-certificate "https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/armv7m/-/raw/master/bootable-sd0a/image-sda-fat-netbsd-armv7cm-SD-card-mmc-bootable-sd0a.img.gz" 
wget -c --no-check-certificate "https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/armv7/-/raw/main/v2-custom/image.armv7hf.img.gz" 
zcat image.armv7hf.img.gz > /dev/sda 
zcat image-sda-fat-netbsd-armv7cm-SD-card-mmc-bootable-sd0a.img.gz > /dev/mmcblk0 
sync
reboot
(SH Script, pastebin: https://pastebin.com/raw/hjxtQZix)

This will use SD/MMC to boot your raspberry pi and you will have the NetBSD terminal + desktop, which is running from your USB pendrive.
image.armv7hf.img.gz is a custom image with SSH enabled and with ethernet capability for RPI3B and RPI3B+ (see /etc/rc.conf).


3.) You can connect over SSH to the IP of your RPI3.

Login: netbsd
Password: netbsd

The rest is for more Unix/BSD advanced users.
The desktop is ready to use out of the box. The usual command is : startx
You will get a default netbsd with full desktop.

Have Fun ! NetBSD is really cool.


- Third Party / It is userland -



Image



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ejolson
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Re: Goodbye Linux - Welcome BSD ;)

Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:59 pm

Does NetBSD also run on the Pi 2 Zero? I understand it is very similar to a 3B.

KeithMck
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Re: Goodbye Linux - Welcome BSD ;)

Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:31 pm

NetBSD on these forums - viewforum.php?f=86

FreeBSD on these forums - viewforum.php?f=85

& an OpenBSD image here - http://fuguita.org/

ame
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Re: Goodbye Linux - Welcome BSD ;)

Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:37 pm

BSD is dying. Netcraft confirms it.
Oh no, not again.

openbsd98324
Posts: 106
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Re: Goodbye Linux - Welcome BSD ;)

Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:14 pm

ame wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:37 pm
BSD is dying. Netcraft confirms it.
pkgsrc / X11 /... efficient and reliable technology.

Image
Last edited by openbsd98324 on Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.

memjr
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Re: Goodbye Linux - Welcome BSD ;)

Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:28 pm

"It's fun" is not a compelling reason for me.

Why would I want to use BSD instead of what already works very well for me?

W. H. Heydt
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Re: Goodbye Linux - Welcome BSD ;)

Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:10 pm

Mildly interesting... The last time I encountered bsd unix it was Rel. 4.2 running on a VAX on the Berkeley campus...

openbsd98324
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Re: Goodbye Linux - Welcome BSD ;)

Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:14 pm

ejolson wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:59 pm
Does NetBSD also run on the Pi 2 Zero? I understand it is very similar to a 3B.
It was tested on PI Zero w and RPI3b, RPI3b+.

It is very likely, that the image armv7 works on raspberry pi 2 as well.

ejolson
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Re: Goodbye Linux - Welcome BSD ;)

Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:20 pm

openbsd98324 wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:14 pm
ejolson wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:59 pm
Does NetBSD also run on the Pi 2 Zero? I understand it is very similar to a 3B.
It was tested on PI Zero w and RPI3b, RPI3b+.

It is very likely, that the image armv7 works on raspberry pi 2 as well.
That's what I was thinking. In my opinion it's useful to have a Unix operating system that runs on the Pi 2 Zero, especially one as light weight and universal as NetBSD.

openbsd98324
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Re: Goodbye Linux - Welcome BSD ;)

Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:22 pm

ejolson wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:20 pm
openbsd98324 wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:14 pm
ejolson wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:59 pm
Does NetBSD also run on the Pi 2 Zero? I understand it is very similar to a 3B.
It was tested on PI Zero w and RPI3b, RPI3b+.

It is very likely, that the image armv7 works on raspberry pi 2 as well.
That's what I was thinking. In my opinion it's useful to have a Unix operating system that runs on the Pi 2 Zero, especially one as light weight and universal as NetBSD.
I think so too. FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD have readily proven the quality of their software for desktop, multimedia, gaming and networking.

NetBSD has, as you said, this advantage to be very universal (numerous ports/CPU/Arch, tiny generic kernel, bsd ramdisks,... disklabels, and many innovations).

RasPiGaming
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Re: Goodbye Linux - Welcome BSD ;)

Wed Dec 29, 2021 2:54 pm

Just a question...
Why does NetBSD look so outdated? Those window borders in the screenshot of the first post, eh, giving me Windows 95/98 flashbacks... :(
Can you use things like GNOME on NetBSD?
And also, you said that NetBSD has proven itself for gaming. But what gaming service is even available for it?
An RPi can be a gaming PC. As long as you have the right packages and software anyway.
Using a RPi4 8GB with Ubuntu Desktop 21.04, main interests are gaming and programming. Also occasionally uses two RPi3B+ and a RPi3B.

thagrol
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Re: Goodbye Linux - Welcome BSD ;)

Wed Dec 29, 2021 6:55 pm

There's something very suspect about the OP.

The links provided are not for BSD. Nor are they for Pi.

They're for a website and executable that claims to install Debain on your x86 PC.
Knowledge, skills, & experience have value. If you expect to profit from someone's you should expect to pay for them.

All advice given is based on my experience. it worked for me, it may not work for you.
Need help? https://github.com/thagrol/Guides

trejan
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Re: Goodbye Linux - Welcome BSD ;)

Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:02 pm

thagrol wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 6:55 pm
There's something very suspect about the OP.

The links provided are not for BSD. Nor are they for Pi.

They're for a website and executable that claims to install Debain on your x86 PC.
The Debian Windows installer is only shown as an example. Their part with the BSD on Pi bits are in the code block in the instructions.

thagrol
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Re: Goodbye Linux - Welcome BSD ;)

Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:03 pm

trejan wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:02 pm
thagrol wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 6:55 pm
There's something very suspect about the OP.

The links provided are not for BSD. Nor are they for Pi.

They're for a website and executable that claims to install Debain on your x86 PC.
The Debian Windows installer is only shown as an example. Their part with the BSD on Pi bits are in the code block in the instructions.
OK. My mistake. Sorry.
Knowledge, skills, & experience have value. If you expect to profit from someone's you should expect to pay for them.

All advice given is based on my experience. it worked for me, it may not work for you.
Need help? https://github.com/thagrol/Guides

trejan
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Re: Goodbye Linux - Welcome BSD ;)

Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:09 pm

thagrol wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:03 pm
OK. My mistake. Sorry.
The Debian Win32-Loader (README) and the BSD install instructions will both overwrite storage so it is good to be cautious.

I'm still waiting for openbsd98324 to post what their changes are in their no signal HDMI fix kernel...

openbsd98324
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Re: Goodbye Linux - Welcome BSD ;)

Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:53 pm

trejan wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:09 pm
thagrol wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:03 pm
OK. My mistake. Sorry.
The Debian Win32-Loader (README) and the BSD install instructions will both overwrite storage so it is good to be cautious.

I'm still waiting for openbsd98324 to post what their changes are in their no signal HDMI fix kernel...
(here we are in the NetBSD talk. Nonetheless, I gave you the config file in the dedicated thread, Kind regards, James).

RasPiGaming
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Re: Goodbye Linux - Welcome BSD ;)

Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:57 pm

openbsd98324 wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:53 pm
trejan wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:09 pm
thagrol wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:03 pm
OK. My mistake. Sorry.
The Debian Win32-Loader (README) and the BSD install instructions will both overwrite storage so it is good to be cautious.

I'm still waiting for openbsd98324 to post what their changes are in their no signal HDMI fix kernel...
(here we are in the NetBSD talk. Nonetheless, I gave you the config file in the dedicated thread, Kind regards, James).
Did you see my post @openbsd98324?
An RPi can be a gaming PC. As long as you have the right packages and software anyway.
Using a RPi4 8GB with Ubuntu Desktop 21.04, main interests are gaming and programming. Also occasionally uses two RPi3B+ and a RPi3B.

openbsd98324
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Re: Goodbye Linux - Welcome BSD ;)

Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:02 pm

RasPiGaming wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:57 pm
openbsd98324 wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:53 pm
trejan wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:09 pm

The Debian Win32-Loader (README) and the BSD install instructions will both overwrite storage so it is good to be cautious.

I'm still waiting for openbsd98324 to post what their changes are in their no signal HDMI fix kernel...
(here we are in the NetBSD talk. Nonetheless, I gave you the config file in the dedicated thread, Kind regards, James).
Did you see my post @openbsd98324?
you mean there? viewtopic.php?t=326641

openbsd98324
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Re: Goodbye Linux - Welcome BSD ;)

Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:05 pm

RasPiGaming wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 2:54 pm
Just a question...
Why does NetBSD look so outdated? Those window borders in the screenshot of the first post, eh, giving me Windows 95/98 flashbacks... :(
Can you use things like GNOME on NetBSD?
And also, you said that NetBSD has proven itself for gaming. But what gaming service is even available for it?
They have very innovative software. Innovation is not necessarily shinning planet. We do not need a beautiful desktop.
BSD has KDE and Gnome of course. However, you need on a PI to think quite light-weight. It is an ARM, not a super computer.
More reading about BSD: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_ ... stribution

NetBSD PKGSRC - Gaming:
https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/curre ... index.html

Here an example of X11 gaming (on another BSD; here FreeBSD) running on a Raspberry PI RPI3b:
Image

Besides, concerning gaming, look the PS4:
This is BSD inside (FreeBSD + NetBSD). Do I need to present what can PS4 or PS5 consoles?
Last edited by openbsd98324 on Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:02 pm, edited 4 times in total.

thagrol
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Re: Goodbye Linux - Welcome BSD ;)

Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:06 pm

openbsd98324 wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:05 pm
Concerning gaming, look the PS4:
This is BSD inside (FreeBSD + NetBSD). Do I need to present what can PS4 or PS5 consoles?
Could you explain how that is relevant to BSD running on Raspberry Pi please. Oh wait, probably not. Because it isn't.
Knowledge, skills, & experience have value. If you expect to profit from someone's you should expect to pay for them.

All advice given is based on my experience. it worked for me, it may not work for you.
Need help? https://github.com/thagrol/Guides

openbsd98324
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ejolson
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Re: Goodbye Linux - Welcome BSD ;)

Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:38 pm

thagrol wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:06 pm
openbsd98324 wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:05 pm
Concerning gaming, look the PS4:
This is BSD inside (FreeBSD + NetBSD). Do I need to present what can PS4 or PS5 consoles?
Could you explain how that is relevant to BSD running on Raspberry Pi please. Oh wait, probably not. Because it isn't.
BSD on the Pi could be relevant for a commercial project that wants to modify the operating system source code without releasing their modifications under the GNU GPL. While Google's choice of Linux for their Android cell phones and Chrome netbooks shows that the GPL is not incompatible with getting rich, the proprietary corporate culture at Sony chose BSD for the PS4. I think Apple chose BSD for the Mac based on similar reasons.

It's admittedly irrelevant, but the personal reason why I'm interested in BSD is curiosity and the hope to find an operating system that's easier to understand than current Linux distributions.

As the parent of a 4 year old I can verify that it's difficult for why questions to not come across badly. However, even though I'm thoroughly convinced the GNU GPL is best, my opinion is that also having a BSD option for the Pi is better. I see no need to ask why Sony and Apple wanted to avoid the GPL. That's just the way it is. Even so, since those who have their own reasons why still need to know how, I agree it would be more productive to focus on the how in this thread.

jamesh
Raspberry Pi Engineer & Forum Moderator
Raspberry Pi Engineer & Forum Moderator
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Re: Goodbye Linux - Welcome BSD ;)

Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:46 pm

I usually delete Microsoft bashing threads instantly, and the goodbye MS stuff in the first post is a massive warning sign. However, too many posts to simply delete it which is what I would have done had there not been so many posts.

So stay off the MS bashing, keep it to BSD and all will be well.
Software guy, working in the applications team.

openbsd98324
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Re: Goodbye Linux - Welcome BSD ;)

Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:51 pm

ejolson wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:38 pm
thagrol wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:06 pm
openbsd98324 wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:05 pm
Concerning gaming, look the PS4:
This is BSD inside (FreeBSD + NetBSD). Do I need to present what can PS4 or PS5 consoles?
Could you explain how that is relevant to BSD running on Raspberry Pi please. Oh wait, probably not. Because it isn't.
BSD on the Pi could be relevant for a commercial project that wants to modify the operating system source code without releasing their modifications under the GNU GPL. While Google's choice of Linux for their Android cell phones and Chrome netbooks shows that the GPL is not incompatible with getting rich, the proprietary corporate culture at Sony chose BSD for the PS4. I think Apple chose BSD for the Mac based on similar reasons.

It's admittedly irrelevant, but the personal reason why I'm interested in BSD is curiosity and the hope to find an operating system that's easier to understand than current Linux distributions.

As the parent of a 4 year old I can verify that it's difficult for why questions to not come across badly. However, even though I'm thoroughly convinced the GNU GPL is best, my opinion is that also having a BSD option for the Pi is better. I see no need to ask why Sony and Apple wanted to avoid the GPL. That's just the way it is. Even so, since those who have their own reasons why still need to know how, I agree it would be more productive to focus on the how in this thread.
Nice. My kids have their raspberry pi, running NetBSD, as main desktop. It is very fine. I am sure that it will work anytime. NetBSD is very reliable.
If a package is needed, pkgsrc is there. If you need recommendations for WM, let me know.


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Dave told me about NetBSD: "I know it works & I know how it works" <-- this is why I use NetBSD ;)

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