I've started another mailing list alongside the ones on mrbill.net / sunhelp.org: VENT. For when you just want to bitch about something to other people, and get it off your chest. Anything goes. To subscribe: http://www.mrbill.net/mailman/listinfo/vent Email list postings to vent at mrbill.net or vent at sunhelp.org, etc. Have fun! -- Bill Bradford * mrbill at mrbill.net / http://www.mrbill.net mrbill at sunhelp.org / http://www.sunhelp.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to using Windows NT for mission-critical applications." -- What Yoda *meant* to say