[SPARCbook] SparcBook FAQ v2.0

Wed Dec 29 16:53:36 CST 1999

Hi,
The SparcBook FAQ v2 is below. With 2 new Q&A's (Thanks for those).
Some major changes were made to the source that may not be very visible to
the outside. (Hence the v2 number.)
Also note the change dates so you know when the last update was made to
the question. Any question unmarked was changed before October 1999 and I
don't have pending messages so if think something is incorrect/inaccurate
you have to tell me (again).
'nuff said. Here goes nothing:
SparcBook F.A.Q.
Hugo van der Kooij
 Support Engineer
 Q&I Nederland

 December 1999
 Revision History
 Revision 2.0 29 DDecember 1999
 Revision 1.13 17 November 1999
 Revision 1.12 1 November 1999
 Revision 1.11 15 October 1999
 Revision 1.10 1 September 1999
 Revision 1.9 27 August 1999
 Revision 1.8 17 August 1999
 Revision 1.7 12 August 1999
 Revision 1.6 5 August 1999
 Revision 1.5 9 June 1999
 Revision 1.4 4 May 1999
 Revision 1.3 6 April 1999
 Revision 1.2 3 April 1999
 Revision 1.1 30 March 1999
 Revision 1.0 20 February 1999

 This FAQ is dedicated to the SparcBook machines and all mysteries
 surrounding them. It is posted to linux.redhat.sparc,
 comp.unix.solaris, comp.sys.sun.hardware and the sparcbook
 mailinglist (See also: www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook) on
 an irregular basis. It is normally online on:
 home.kabelfoon.nl/~hvdkooij/SparcBook-FAQ/sparcbook-faq.html
 _________________________________________________________________

 .1. Where is that STOP button hidden?

 .2. What are the specs of the SparcBook 3 series?

 .3. What memory does the SparcBook 3 use?

 .4. What OS does the SparcBook 3 run and do I need to purchase from
 Tadpole?

 .5. What is the architecture of the Sparcbook3?

 .6. What kind of connectivity does the Sparcbook3 have?

 .7. What about PCMCIA (PCcard) cards for the Sparcbook3?

 .8. Can I use external disk and cd-roms with my Sparcbook3?

 .9. What is the maximum speed on the serial interface?

 .10. Does the type 4 keyboard work with the SparcBook?

 .11. What about patches with Solaris 2.6?

 .12. Any word on Solaris 7?

 .13. Does it run Linux?

 .14. NetBSD

 .15. OpenBSD

 .16. Is there a mailinglist?

 .17. What do the green and flashing orange lights mean?

 .18. If my computer hard hangs and STOP-A doesn't work, what can I do?

 .19. Is it ok to remove the battery for long periods of time?

 .20. How do I open the case of the Sparcbook?

 .21. How do I remove the hard disk?

 .22. Where can I get more sleds/enclosures for the hard disk?

 .23. Can I use PC IDE notebook hard disk in my Sparcbook?

 .24. What is slice 4 (partition e) on my disk used for?

 .25. Will my SparcBook work on AC only (without a battery)?

 .26. Can you upgrade the tadpole's maxed-out 2GB drive to something a
 bit larger?

 .27. Is my SPARCbook Year 2000 compliant?

 .28. Where can I find manuals?

 .29. Where can I find more info?

 .30. Why isn't my question in the FAQ?

 .1. Where is that STOP button hidden?

 You might want to note these special keys in the SparcBook:

 * PAUSE A acts like STOP A (or L1 A for the real diehards ;-)
 * PAUSE R will reboot the machine.
 * PAUSE O will act as Power-Off.
 * PAUSE PageUp will zoom in on the CDE screen.
 * PAUSE PageDown will zoom back out on the CDE screen.

 A number of these keys will not work properly under all circumstances.

 A proper list can be found in the manual. See also: Q: .28.

 .2. What are the specs of the SparcBook 3 series?

 An extensive summary is listed on:
 www.dementia.org/~shadow/t-s3_tech.html.

 .3. What memory does the SparcBook 3 use?

 Last change: 19991015

 According to the manual: A matched pair of low profile 60ns 72pin
 parity SIMMs. You can by these at any good computer store (they are
 not Sun proprietary). They are located under the panel in the battery
 compartment and are user replaceable. (Unless you want 256MB!)

 However it seems that life just ain't that easy. People have reported
 that 32MB modules (8M x 36) that are just 1 inch (25mm) high seem to
 work. Many others types didn't work out. (So going to 64MB should n't
 be a problem.)

 The following reports were received:

 URL: www.memoryx.com

 Type: 32mb 72pin Memoryx (1pc) 8mbx33-6

 Status: Results in 64MB RAM

 URL: www.spartantech.com

 Type: a pair of 32Mb ***LOW PROFILE 1" HIGH **** 72 pin true parity
 SIMMS

 Status: Results in 64MB RAM

 URL: www.rave.net

 Type: 64 MB memory kit. 310ドル (USD) (Kingston Memory)

 Status: Results in 64MB RAM

 URL: ?

 Type: generic 64MB parity SIMMs

 Status: Does not work

 The MicroSPARC processor in the Sun5 (and the SPARCBook) supports
 multiple 32 MB SIMMs. Larger SIMMs than the 32 MB are not supported by
 the processor. Since the SPARCbook only have two SIMMslots (instead of
 8) only 64 MB is supported. (I haven't seen schematics and chip specs
 myself but at least this seems to clarify the issue pretty much.
 Thanks, Ulf.)

 Then again it seems the address space of the DRAM controller (STP1012)
 does use a 12 bit multiplexed bus (both RAS and CAS) and so 2^24 would
 mean 16Mwords and with 8 bytes to the word it would result in 128MB
 maximum capacity. (Ulf did some more digging to get this info to the
 surface.)

 Make sure you shutdown the system completely before changing the
 SIMMs. If you change the SIMMs when you suspend you may find that the
 machine goes banana's.

 If you forget to do it properly there is still no big problem. Just
 replace the SIMMs with the original ones. Shutdown properly and go
 again for the new SIMMs.

 If you run Solaris 2.5.1 (or lower) you must adjust slice 4 according
 to the new RAM size. (See also: Q: .24.) Some suggest you should ditch
 Solaris 2.5.1 in favor of Solaris 2.6 but your milage may vary.

 .4. What OS does the SparcBook 3 run and do I need to purchase from
 Tadpole?

 Last change: 19991015

 The SparcBook 3 will run Sunos 4.1.3-u1 and any Solaris version up to
 Solaris 2.6! Not all of the original distributions from SUN will work
 fine. But apparantly Solaris v2.6 (5/98) seems to install fine. But
 note that you still need the add-on's listed below.

 The Tadpole version does have some add-on's to pause and resume the
 SparcBook, the Fax program or the PCMCIA drivers but rumour has it
 that legal owners of Solaris 2.6 can get a copy per FTP.

 One can download the additional packages required to let Solaris 2.6
 run on your sparc book from:
 ftp.tadpole.com/pub/sbu/S3-patches/Solaris_2.6/

 The file that contains all of them is:
 ftp.tadpole.com/pub/sbu/S3-patches/Solaris_2.6/TTI_Solaris_2.6_packag
 es.tar.Z

 However this does not include the NCE graphical utilities. These are
 not around at present times but may be available in the future.
 (Unlikely for Solaris 2.6 now that Solaris 7 is out.)

 The solaris commands to use instead of NCE are:

 * battery (for battery management),
 * locations/chloc/rmloc/saveloc/lsloc (for the network location
 stuff),
 * diskid (for disk management),
 * fbconfig (for monitor setup),
 * kbconfig (keyboard),
 * msconfig (mouse),
 * lsformat (format floppy),
 * syshw (for other hardware tuning),

 Checkout their respective manual pages for more details.

 Alternatives are Linux and NetBSD. (See also: Q: .12., Q: .14. and Q:
 .13.)

 .5. What is the architecture of the Sparcbook3?

 It's a sun4m.

 .6. What kind of connectivity does the Sparcbook3 have?

 Last change: 19991015

 14.4 fax/modem builtin (not upgradable), ISDN (needs a NT1 to work)
 and 10mbps ethernet (which needs a special cable to go to a AUI
 interface on the 3GX).

 The AUI (Attachment Unit Interface) cable is identical as the one used
 by other Sparc systems like the Sparc5, Sparc10 and Sparc LX. For most
 networks you need a transceiver to connect to an existing 10base-T
 (UTP) or 10base-2 (coax) network and these transceivers can be bought
 in any good computer hardware store.

 These cables can be quite expensive if you can't find the proper
 place. A few suggestions to find them are:

 *
 + Tadpole
 + P/N 908030
 + 75ドル.00
 *
 + Ultraspec Cables, Inc.
 40 Riordan Place
 Shrewsbury, NJ 07702-4305
 USA
 Tel: 1-800-222-5337 (USA only) Tel: x-1-(732)-450-1900
 www.ultraspec.com
 + Slimline D26M to D15 (AUI Only) AUI Cables for SPARCstation
 Models 4, 5, 10 & 20, SPARCclassic & LX Ethernet port adaptor
 Cable (#2610) - 1 foot
 + 52ドル.00
 *
 + A-1 Net Inc.
 135 Commerce Way
 Walnut, CA 91789
 USA
 Tel: x-1-(909)595-0450 FAX: x-1-(909)594-7617
 + Sun Micro SPARC 10 / AUI SUN-615F 6' HDB26M to AUI DB15F
 + 18ドル.00

 The SUN partnummer is X981A. The 'A-1 Net Inc.' may be the cheapest
 solution yet. But keep shipping costs in mind.

 An AUI to Thinnet (10base-2) or AUI to UTP (10base-T) transceiver
 could be bought in any decent computershop. A lot of shops may charge
 you amounts that may be stunningly high. So it's well worth to
 checkout multiple shops before rushing for one.

 .7. What about PCMCIA (PCcard) cards for the Sparcbook3?

 It can take 2 type I/II or 1 type III cards. Just about any modem card
 will work (so you can get your 56K connection :). But watch out with
 hard disk, some early (maybe still) hard disk cards had incompatable
 firmware. (A Western Digital 40M didn't work, but the Maxtor 170M and
 Eiger 340M did).

 In order to work well with disks you must at least load the T030004-02
 patch.

 Among the known PCMCIA cards that are reported working are: 3C589B
 (device: pcelx) and 3C589C (device: pcelx)

 .8. Can I use external disk and cd-roms with my Sparcbook3?

 Yes, the Sparcbook3 uses standard (Fast-)SCSI (II) devices. The
 interface does provide power to special (read: Tadpole) external
 devices but standard SCSI devices should work perfectly.

 Proper SCSI cables can be bought in any good computer hardware store.
 To boot from an external SCSI CD-ROM the SUN CD-ROM FAQ is the proper
 document to read.

 .9. What is the maximum speed on the serial interface?

 38,400 is the maximum supported. There might be a kernel hack to get
 it to do a little faster, but the implementation of hardware flow
 control on Sun and Tadpole serial ports is software dependant, so very
 limited.

 .10. Does the type 4 keyboard work with the SparcBook?

 It does! Any type 4 or type 5 keyboard should work.

 .11. What about patches with Solaris 2.6?

 Last change: 19991015

 The following list of patches (with URL) should help you out.

 From sunsolve.sun.com/pub/patches/

 * Solaris 2.6 (Sparc) Recommended patches (~ 19MB)

 From: ftp.tadpole.com/pub/sbu/S3-patches/Solaris_2.6/

 * T030000-01 Fixed 16 bit X server problem (bus error)
 * T030001-01 System may hang while PCMCIA device is present
 * T030002-02 Enhanced generic power management features
 * T030003-01 Changing PCMCIA cards does not work well
 * T030004-02 PCMCIA ata disk
 * T030005-01 Formating PCMCIA disks results in core dumps
 * T030006-01 Disks won't keep spundown very long
 * T030007-04 'Spurious Interrupt' messages on console
 * T030008-01 nitloc fails when TZ contains a / (slash)
 * T030009-02 US Robotics Modems do not work in SPARCbooks
 * T030014-01 Fixes for 16/32 bit Xserver problems

 This might seem kinda obvious, but ..... The T03000xxx patches should
 be installed AFTER installing the Tadpole Packages.

 .12. Any word on Solaris 7?

 It seems that Solaris 7 does run on the unit but the tadpole specific
 items are not there.

 Do NOT (repeat: NOT) attempt to install the Tadpole add-on packages
 for Solaris v2.6 on a Solaris 7 installation! (For some this advise
 may sounds stupid as it seems so obvious to them but at present it is
 all I can tell about Solaris 7. {I didn't try this myself!!!})

 Tadpole does NOT plan to put patches for Solaris 7 on the FTP site
 like they have with the 2.6 patches. They want us all to drop 400ドル+
 for the CD from them with Solaris 7... Ugh. (Mind you that SUN is not
 as fortcoming to Tadpole as we might have liked in regard to Solaris
 support.)

 .13. Does it run Linux?

 Last change: 19991015

 You can get Linux on it but with some restrictions if you are
 installing it. In short:

 * You need to use the serial interface as the video chip isn't
 supported during bootup if you use 2.0.x kernels. It does work
 with 2.2.x kernels.
 * Use of an external CDROM that works fine with Solaris didn't work
 well with Linux. (But this could be just my problem with my
 Ultraplex drive and not a generic thing.)

 Linux can use the screen (on a TadPole SPARCbook 3GX) with Red Hat
 Linux 5.2 (the only 2.0.x kernel distribution I tried) if you observe
 the following guidelines:

 * Use a Linux kernel 2.0.33 or 2.0.35 source. (The default one
 shipped with Red Hat Linux 5.2 does work with these small fixes.
 So get clean kernel sources.)
 * Replace the original suncons.c and weitek.c files with the changed
 ones.
 * Configure and compile your own kernel. (Don't allow SparcBook 1
 support as it will break things for you!)
 * Edit /etc/inittab to allow a init process on the screen.
 * Now reboot with the new kernel.

 This is not meant for people who are not familiar with making their
 own kernels.

 Thomas M. Roerh wrote the changes in the files stated above.

 Alternatively it seems that 2.2.x kernels work fine for console work.
 Thomas reported success with kernel 2.2.5 and is now looking into the
 XFree stuff.

 Installing Red Hat Linux 6.0 for the Sparc does not need the fix
 mentioned above. However the display handling is a bit akward now. It
 realy feels like you are using a 2400 bps terminal.

 The current state of things that (may) work:

 * the console, as a general PROM console (which is why it sucks so
 hard). As of 2.3.15 the console is supported as FB console.
 * the serial, parallel ports (parallel port driver in linux was
 fixed quite recently, and new 2.3 kernels will have a parport
 module which should work with these, I intend to try momentarily)
 * dbri audio should work but not well yet (some of the interface
 "knobs" are missing, like the ability to change volume, but
 someone's working on it)
 * dbri isdn *may* work, but I don't have any way to try so I can't
 say. You need the amd79c30 module in the ISDN4Linux stuff since
 the same guy worked on support for those and for this, and he
 reused code.
 * the mouse should work with recent 2.3.x kernels.

 The current state of things that don't work (yet) or are not
 investigated:

 * pcmcia
 * onboard modem
 * power management

 .14. NetBSD

 NetBSD-sparc version 1.4 works fine on the SPARCbook 3GS and 3GX, and
 can be installed easily from the distribution CD. However, this
 version does not support X11, pcmcia, power (microcontroller)
 management, the internal modem, audio, or ISDN. Thus, you're
 restricted to a text-only interface, although using a utility like
 `screen' makes this much less painful; see
 http://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/pub/utilities/screen/ for the latest
 version.

 If you really want X11 and NetBSD, and if you're not afraid of a bit
 more work, NetBSD-current (11 aug 1999 and later) is the answer. It
 adds native X11 support and some basic power management functionality
 (like powering down the lcd screen when the lid is closed or X11 does
 a screenblank). You'll want to follow the instructions on the NetBSD
 website for installing the latest sparc binary snapshot, and for
 compiling the TADPOLE3GX kernel. A good starting point for this can be
 found at http://www.netbsd.org/Documentation/current/index.html but
 the basic steps are usually something like this:
 1. Install the latest release distribution.
 2. Download the NetBSD-current source; tarballs can be found at:
 ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-current/tar_files/src/.
 3. Compile and boot a NetBSD-current TADPOLE3GX kernel.
 4. Download the latest NetBSD-sparc binary snapshot from:
 ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/arch/sparc/snapshot/
 The snapshots live in directories with names of the form YYYYMMDD
 which indicate the -current source from which they were built.
 5. Rebuild the entire system from -current source.

 The support currently in NetBSD-current will most likely be first
 available in a real release as of NetBSD-1.5. However, drivers for the
 currently unsupported devices are appearing quickly; if you continue
 to track the -current development, you can get device support almost
 as fast as it appears (pcmcia development is underway).

 .15. OpenBSD

 Last change: 19991117

 OpenBSD (at least the snapshot of 19990919) seems to run with X in 256
 colors.

 .16. Is there a mailinglist?

 There are a multiple mailinglists dedicated to the Sparc Books. The
 first one started by Rich is called: sparcbook-owners. Use it at your
 own risk. No further info is recorded for this list anymore.

 Displease with the lack of (web)archive and the not quite open
 policies on the list another one has been started and is just called:
 Sparcbook mailing list

 Note that much of the following can also be accomplished via the World
 Wide Web, at: www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook/

 In particular, you can use the Web site to have your password sent to
 your delivery address.

 List specific commands (subscribe, who, etc) should be sent to
 <sparcbook-request at sunhelp.org>.

 About the descriptions - words in "<>"s signify REQUIRED items and
 words in "[]" denote OPTIONAL items. Do not include the "<>"s or "[]"s
 when you use the commands.

 The following commands are valid:

 * subscribe [password] [digest-option] [address=<address>]
 Subscribe to the mailing list. Your password must be given to
 unsubscribe or change your options. When you subscribe to the
 list, you'll be reminded of your password periodically.
 'digest-option' may be either: 'nodigest' or 'digest' (no quotes!)
 If you wish to subscribe an address other than the address you
 send this request from, you may specify "address=<email address>"
 (no brackets around the email address, no quotes!)
 * unsubscribe <password> [address]
 Unsubscribe from the mailing list. Your password must match the
 one you gave when you subscribed. If you are trying to unsubscribe
 from a different address than the one you subscribed from, you may
 specify it in the 'address' field.
 * who
 See everyone who is on this mailing list.
 * info
 View the introductory information for this list.
 * help
 Just in case you realy want to see al the commands available ;-)

 .17. What do the green and flashing orange lights mean?

 The green light means that the Sparcbook is running on external/AC
 power. If the orange light next to it starts flashing, this means that
 a shutdown is emanate. This usually happens when the battery gets down
 to 15-20%.

 One person reported this happening even when the battery was at 100%.
 The SB had an old battery and we suspect that it didn't have enought
 "push" to keep running the SB and that is why it was giving a shutdown
 warning even though the battery said 100%.

 .18. If my computer hard hangs and STOP-A doesn't work, what can I do?

 Last change: 19991101

 Disconnect AC power AND remove the battery to stop the machine the
 hard way. (I needed this at least once during some Linux kernel
 juggling!)

 .19. Is it ok to remove the battery for long periods of time?

 last change: 19991218

 No, the battery powers the RTC (Real Time Clock). You shouldn't remove
 the battery except when replacing it or upgrading the memory chips.
 (This info has not been verified and some argue the validity of this
 statement.)

 Recent experiences have shown that 36 hours without a battery will
 clear your configuration. A procedure to recover from this is under
 development.

 .20. How do I open the case of the Sparcbook?

 You bether don't. Laptop casings are designed to be small. Never to be
 easy to service ;-) Even experienced service people find most laptops
 a real pain to service.

 .21. How do I remove the hard disk?

 The removeable hard disk is located on the left side (looking at the
 SB from the front). Push the little cover down a bit and then side the
 disk straight out. (Of course, you should only do this when the SB is
 turned off!)

 .22. Where can I get more sleds/enclosures for the hard disk?

 They are very hard to find. Of course, Tadpole will sell you a disk
 drive that is in a sled, but they charge a rather large price for
 them. You're pretty much on your own for this one.

 .23. Can I use PC IDE notebook hard disk in my Sparcbook?

 Yes and no. The SB uses SCSI drives, however, there seems to be a
 company in Japan that sells an IDE to SCSI converter. It is a 4.5mm
 high card that fits on top of the 2.5" IDE drive. Some Apple notebooks
 use this converter. (As does the 2GB drive from TadPole which is also
 a IDE disk with SCSI-to-IDE convertor!)

 You may checkout: www.powerbook1.com/pbharddrives.html#scsi or
 www.powerbookguy.com/drives.html or http://www.adtx.co.jp/english/

 .24. What is slice 4 (partition e) on my disk used for?

 It is the save area used when you suspend your SB. It should be the
 exact same size as the RAM in your SB. When you PAUSE-O (suspend) the
 SB, the contents of RAM are written to this slice. If you never want
 to use the suspend feature, this slice can be formatted and used like
 any other slice of the disk.

 Solaris v2.6 does not need this slice as it handles suspend
 differently. It justs saves it's own state to a partition that has
 enough space to hold it. The state file (.CPR) is not that big as it
 is rather compressed.

 .25. Will my SparcBook work on AC only (without a battery)?

 Unfortunatly for some it doesn't for others it works fine. So just be
 carefull if you give this a try. However I got this working just fine
 without the battery.

 .26. Can you upgrade the tadpole's maxed-out 2GB drive to something a
 bit larger?

 So it seems. Just pop the drive & converter assembly out of the caddy,
 move the converter to a new 2.5" 12.5mm IDE drive, reassemble the
 caddy, pop back in and format!

 Worked fine for IBM 6.4 (IBM Model DADA-26480 4200RPM 13420 Cyl+2Alt
 16 Hd 63 Sec) with new install of SOLARIS 2.6 with above-mentioned
 patches... No reason to think larger drives would not work...

 Please note that this only works for the 2GB disk as it allready has a
 SCSI to IDE convertor. All smaller disks are fully SCSI and lack the
 convertor.

 .27. Is my SPARCbook Year 2000 compliant?

 The following units are: Voyager IIi, UltraBook 170 / 200, SPARCbook 3
 / 3LC / 3TX / 3GX / 3XP / 3000 ST / 3000 XT

 The following units are not: SPARCbook 1 / 2

 See also: www.tadpole.com/support-trdi/y2k/sparc.html

 .28. Where can I find manuals?

 Our prayers have been heard. Tadpole has made them available on their
 FTP server. Don't hessitate to say thanks to them for this service.

 You can find the manuals on ftp.tadpole.com/pub/pdf/. The manuals you
 will find most interresting are SPARCbook Portable Workstation User
 Guide SPARCbook 3000 and SPARCbook 3 Families with 256 pages and
 SPARCbook"3 Series Technical Reference Manual 980327-02 with 216
 pages.

 .29. Where can I find more info?

 Here are some URLs to explore for more info.

 * Solaris Central has a good lists of FAQ's:
 http://www.solariscentral.org/
 * TadPole: http://www.tadpole.co.uk/

 .30. Why isn't my question in the FAQ?

 It may be any of the following reasons:

 * No one asked. (so it's not a FAQ ;-)
 * No one answered. (So either no one knows or no one bothered to
 answer ;-)
 * The given answer was incorrect or may be misleading. (I am still
 no guru but go a long way with these computer things and can
 usually tell wether or not this may happen.)
 * I didn't like the answer. (The use of profane language and such
 will definitly be a reason to dislike the message and in such
 event it will not make it to the FAQ.)

 But If you want to contribute to the FAQ feel free to send a clear
 question and answer to me. I just might put it into the next edition
 provided I have time for it. If you want to add info to an existing
 question you MUST quote the full question as numbers are irrelevant to
 me as the source document is not numbered at all. (It's added
 automagically!)

 Please don't start sending me questions without answers. I am still
 not a guru and just hope this FAQ may educate others and not just me.
 Besides that some portions are things I can't verify myself.

 The preferred way is to make a copy of the SGML source; make the
 required changes and send in the diff (diff -ur) of the SGML source.

 FAQ entries should be send in a message exclusively to me and not to
 one of the mailinglists or contain a copy to one of them as they will
 be handled differently by my mail handling software and it's likely I
 may overlook them in such case.

 Some of these questions are plain obviously if you happen to have the
 manual in front of you. But aparantly there are still lot's of units
 out there without a manual. Now thay are online there is not an excuse
 not to have them. (See also: Q: .28.)
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