A E F and T sized differently in lmodern pacakge?

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buster: Posts: 19; Joined: Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:49 pm

A E F and T sized differently in lmodern pacakge?

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Post by buster » Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:02 pm

I noticed today that some uppercase letters are slightly smaller than the rest. The A, E, F and T are all slightly smaller in my pdf document. This looks quite bad, but I have no idea what is causing it.
The only change I have made was to add the mhchem package. After removing it I was still getting the same problem. So I did a MWE, without the mhchem package, which I have copied below

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\documentclass[11pt,a4paper,english]{report}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[latin1]{inputenc}
\usepackage{babel}
\usepackage{chapterbib}
\usepackage{lmodern}
\usepackage{blindtext}
\usepackage{amsmath}
\usepackage{graphicx}
\usepackage{xcolor}
\usepackage{setspace}
\begin{document}
\include{chap}
\end{document}

the code for chap is just

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\chapter{Introduction}
ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ

the AEF and T are all still slightly smaller. I took away all the other packages one by one to see if there was any change.

Removing the lmodern package returned the font to what I assume is a default font? This is evenly sized, but doesn't look as good and appears faded in the pdf (although is not faded when printed)
Is the lmodern package supposed to look like that? If not, can I correct it? and if so, can anyone recommend an alternative font? (apparently I have terrible taste!)

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A E F and T sized differently in lmodern pacakge?

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Post by frabjous » Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:30 pm

Could you add \listfiles to the beginning your document and compile, and post both the .log file and output .pdf here?

The lmodern (Latin Modern) and default (Computer Modern) fonts are very hard for me to tell apart. And even with lmodern, I don't see the problem you see. I hope it's not my eyesight:

lmodern.png: lmodern.png (5.53 KiB) Viewed 19251 times

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buster: Posts: 19; Joined: Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:49 pm

A E F and T sized differently in lmodern pacakge?

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Post by buster » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:18 am

i was just about to post a lot of what was below. having restarted my computer (again) i went to reprint lmodern v computer modern to see exactly what else was different and it's now all normal. i'll leave what i wrote below in case anyone else has this weird problem but it looks like it was just my computer needing a restart.

Thanks very much for your help!

(edit: the worst part was my head kept rearranging those letters to spell out fate)

[when i print it out using the default font (computer modern) it looks mostly similar other than the aforementioned letters. though the pdf on screen looks very different. aside from those letters the spacing looks different, (the title pages especially) and it appears to be more faded, but that is just on screen where its hard to read.

i put \listfiles after the packages and before the \document
i hope that's the right place?

can't find a way to copy the output part from latex - is there a way to do this? i cant even copy one line at a time.
there are no errors or warnings and this does appear
lmodern.sty 2009年10月30日 v1.6 Latin Modern Fonts

the log file is quoted below

any help very much appreciated

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buster: Posts: 19; Joined: Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:49 pm

A E F and T sized differently in lmodern pacakge?

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Post by buster » Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:25 pm

so this happened again (apart from A's now being fine) and upon more investigation it seems the letters appear to change depending on the zoom applied in the pdf reader (adobe)
eg
only the bold E is affected here

200% zoom: 200% zoom; 200.jpg (7.58 KiB) Viewed 19162 times

the bold E is not affected, the other is

177% zoom: 177% zoom; 177.jpg (7.05 KiB) Viewed 19162 times

both are affected here

150% zoom: 150% zoom; 150.jpg (5.81 KiB) Viewed 19162 times

at >=300% its fine
at 100% it's fine
at 75% it's not

this is completely harmless as it prints out fine, though it does really annoy me when i look at it. just thought i'd post in case it drove anyone else to distraction.

SERENITY NOW.

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