Wikipediocracy

Malleus wrote:

EricBarbour wrote:

Triptych wrote:The illustrious author of The Unblockables and Give 'Em Enough Rope, the blocker of about 2500 editors, widely recognized as one of the worst administrators, states he is 41 years old. It is always a relief to find out these guys aren't 19 or something. Restores a bit of hope for the future.

Ah, yes, "The Unblockables". A deliberate and obvious attempt by an abusive patroller (who generates very little content himself)
to find and justify a way to get rid of people like Malleus and Giano. The people who write the content that makes Beeb's position possible, but
who are "uncivil" to minor power-abusers like Beeb. So long as Beeb remains an administrator and oversighter, Wikipedia will remain corrupt.
And continue to decline.

I've always found it very strange that in a supposed encylopedia project those who can't write are so eager to chase off those who can.

Captain Occam wrote:Beeblebrox reports Wer900 at AN/I

One of the benefits of this forum is the way it can make more people know about these reports than just the people who usually populate AN/I. Beeblebrox looks like he's hoping for Wer900 to be blocked as a result of his report, but there are enough people here who disapprove of Beeblebrox's conduct that it might be possible for this to become a case of WP:BOOMERANG for him.

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Zoloft wrote:

Captain Occam wrote:Beeblebrox reports Wer900 at AN/I

One of the benefits of this forum is the way it can make more people know about these reports than just the people who usually populate AN/I. Beeblebrox looks like he's hoping for Wer900 to be blocked as a result of his report, but there are enough people here who disapprove of Beeblebrox's conduct that it might be possible for this to become a case of WP:BOOMERANG for him.

Wow those are acutely overblown diffs. Dishonest, because people see all the links and say, "Look at all those diffs! This disruption must be stopped!" But actually there is nothing on the rye bread except mustard and lettuce. No meat.

Zoloft wrote:

Captain Occam wrote:Beeblebrox reports Wer900 at AN/I

One of the benefits of this forum is the way it can make more people know about these reports than just the people who usually populate AN/I. Beeblebrox looks like he's hoping for Wer900 to be blocked as a result of his report, but there are enough people here who disapprove of Beeblebrox's conduct that it might be possible for this to become a case of WP:BOOMERANG for him.

Wow those are acutely overblown diffs. Dishonest, because people see all the links and say, "Look at all those diffs! This disruption must be stopped!" But actually there is nothing on the rye bread except mustard and lettuce. No meat.

Wer900 wrote:

Zoloft wrote:

Captain Occam wrote:Beeblebrox reports Wer900 at AN/I

One of the benefits of this forum is the way it can make more people know about these reports than just the people who usually populate AN/I. Beeblebrox looks like he's hoping for Wer900 to be blocked as a result of his report, but there are enough people here who disapprove of Beeblebrox's conduct that it might be possible for this to become a case of WP:BOOMERANG for him.

Wow those are acutely overblown diffs. Dishonest, because people see all the links and say, "Look at all those diffs! This disruption must be stopped!" But actually there is nothing on the rye bread except mustard and lettuce. No meat.

I've looked at the AN/I against me. It's preposterous, to say the least; Beebs wants to set a precedent for suppressing legitimate debate and wants a more cult-like Wikipedia dedicated to the Sole Flounder. I don't even know if I should respond to the trumped-up charges myself; it's all a load of crap.

EDIT: It is likely, though, that vapid cases on trumped-up charges have all of the requirements to go to ArbCom—no substance whatsoever. Beebs wanted to topic-ban me from Wikipedia governance discussions six months ago, anyway, so he does hold a grudge in this regard.

Randy from Boise wrote:

Wer900 wrote:

Zoloft wrote:

Captain Occam wrote:Beeblebrox reports Wer900 at AN/I

One of the benefits of this forum is the way it can make more people know about these reports than just the people who usually populate AN/I. Beeblebrox looks like he's hoping for Wer900 to be blocked as a result of his report, but there are enough people here who disapprove of Beeblebrox's conduct that it might be possible for this to become a case of WP:BOOMERANG for him.

Wow those are acutely overblown diffs. Dishonest, because people see all the links and say, "Look at all those diffs! This disruption must be stopped!" But actually there is nothing on the rye bread except mustard and lettuce. No meat.

I've looked at the AN/I against me. It's preposterous, to say the least; Beebs wants to set a precedent for suppressing legitimate debate and wants a more cult-like Wikipedia dedicated to the Sole Flounder. I don't even know if I should respond to the trumped-up charges myself; it's all a load of crap.

EDIT: It is likely, though, that vapid cases on trumped-up charges have all of the requirements to go to ArbCom—no substance whatsoever. Beebs wanted to topic-ban me from Wikipedia governance discussions six months ago, anyway, so he does hold a grudge in this regard.

I'd offer the friendly advice that you should take a day to write an article or something. They are going after you on NOTHERETOWRITEANENCYCLOPEDIA grounds and your last month has been heavy in the drama without much else. So write something, which won't totally dismiss the elastic NOTHERE argument, but will probably set some minds at ease.

RfB

Randy from Boise wrote:

Wer900 wrote:

Zoloft wrote:

Captain Occam wrote:Beeblebrox reports Wer900 at AN/I

One of the benefits of this forum is the way it can make more people know about these reports than just the people who usually populate AN/I. Beeblebrox looks like he's hoping for Wer900 to be blocked as a result of his report, but there are enough people here who disapprove of Beeblebrox's conduct that it might be possible for this to become a case of WP:BOOMERANG for him.

Wow those are acutely overblown diffs. Dishonest, because people see all the links and say, "Look at all those diffs! This disruption must be stopped!" But actually there is nothing on the rye bread except mustard and lettuce. No meat.

I've looked at the AN/I against me. It's preposterous, to say the least; Beebs wants to set a precedent for suppressing legitimate debate and wants a more cult-like Wikipedia dedicated to the Sole Flounder. I don't even know if I should respond to the trumped-up charges myself; it's all a load of crap.

EDIT: It is likely, though, that vapid cases on trumped-up charges have all of the requirements to go to ArbCom—no substance whatsoever. Beebs wanted to topic-ban me from Wikipedia governance discussions six months ago, anyway, so he does hold a grudge in this regard.

I'd offer the friendly advice that you should take a day to write an article or something. They are going after you on NOTHERETOWRITEANENCYCLOPEDIA grounds and your last month has been heavy in the drama without much else. So write something, which won't totally dismiss the elastic NOTHERE argument, but will probably set some minds at ease.

RfB

Kudpung wrote:User:Wer900 has to be joking if he's hoping for this to be taken to Arbcom. There's enough here for an indefinite block without any further ado.WP:NOTHERE. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:20, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Wer900 wrote:I write about astronomy. I haven't found much news worthy of being written, so I haven't written.

Outsider wrote:

Wer900 wrote:I write about astronomy. I haven't found much news worthy of being written, so I haven't written.

I find it difficult to believe that astronomy is so brilliantly covered by Wikipedia that there is nothing to contribute.

Outsider wrote:

Wer900 wrote:I write about astronomy. I haven't found much news worthy of being written, so I haven't written.

I find it difficult to believe that astronomy is so brilliantly covered by Wikipedia that there is nothing to contribute.

Retiring

I'm retiring from coming within fifty miles of this failed project. Crap like this is not helping with editor retention in any way.

This project's own guidelines say to "Nip aggressive conversation in the bud if it begins in your presence " but when I tried to do that on this very page I was not allowed to do so. This project is becoming a walled garden of whining, complaining, and personal attacks strictly controlled by a small cadre of users who seem very comfortable dictating rules as they see fit.

Consider this editor as one who was made less happy with Wikipedia by this project. Reply to this and tell me what an asshole I am all you like, I won't be reading it and you won't be hearing from me here again.
Beeblebrox (T-C-L) 01:18, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Outsider wrote:

Wer900 wrote:I write about astronomy. I haven't found much news worthy of being written, so I haven't written.

I find it difficult to believe that astronomy is so brilliantly covered by Wikipedia that there is nothing to contribute.

Wer900 wrote:

Outsider wrote:

Wer900 wrote:I write about astronomy. I haven't found much news worthy of being written, so I haven't written.

I find it difficult to believe that astronomy is so brilliantly covered by Wikipedia that there is nothing to contribute.

No, it's not, admittedly. With all of this drama going on around me, though, as well as real life, I lack the vigor to do much. Sometimes I will be tempted to rewrite an article, and I will do it. In fact, I was working on Chandra Wickramasinghe (T-H-L) until recently, to rid it of fringe cruft. If anyone wants me to improve an astronomy article I will be more than happy to attempt it. At the same time, though, my Wikipedia work centers on exoplanetology—a relatively "hot" field although one whose "news" has been primarily rehashed information as of late.

Captain Occam wrote:I'm inclined to agree with Count Iblis' suggestion here that this issue ought to be taken to ArbCom. Does anybody else agree with that?

Wer900 wrote:I'm inclined to avoid ArbCom to the greatest extent possible

Wer900 wrote:I'm inclined to avoid ArbCom to the greatest extent possible, but then again it's the best and only "court" that Wikipedia has.

Wer900 wrote:At the same time, though, my Wikipedia work centers on exoplanetology—a relatively "hot" field although one whose "news" has been primarily rehashed information as of late.

SB_Johnny wrote:

Wer900 wrote:At the same time, though, my Wikipedia work centers on exoplanetology—a relatively "hot" field although one whose "news" has been primarily rehashed information as of late.

Yep. Next time they put up an amazing telescope, maybe they should add a few pounds worth of redundant gyroscopic equipment. I was really bummed to hear the bad news about that.

Jim wrote:

Outsider wrote:

Wer900 wrote:I write about astronomy. I haven't found much news worthy of being written, so I haven't written.

I find it difficult to believe that astronomy is so brilliantly covered by Wikipedia that there is nothing to contribute.

There's a very bright star near the horizon this last few days here in Australia. It's probably Venus, but it looks way impressive. Star of Bethlehem stuff.

greyed.out.fields wrote:

Jim wrote:

Outsider wrote:

Wer900 wrote:I write about astronomy. I haven't found much news worthy of being written, so I haven't written.

I find it difficult to believe that astronomy is so brilliantly covered by Wikipedia that there is nothing to contribute.

There's a very bright star near the horizon this last few days here in Australia. It's probably Venus, but it looks way impressive. Star of Bethlehem stuff.

Strewth, cobber, that very bright star in daytime is called "the sun".

Captain Occam wrote:I hope you're all still following the AN/I discussion, and in particular this portion of it. It's turning into a type of argument that I think we're all very familiar with by now.

Triptych wrote:

Captain Occam wrote:I hope you're all still following the AN/I discussion, and in particular this portion of it. It's turning into a type of argument that I think we're all very familiar with by now.

It should have been a slam dunk for Beebs and his henchmen: haul your surprised and unwarned target into ANI, trump up your prosecution speech with one actually problematic diff, one iffy one, and six fakes, and get a single irritable administrator from the score of blockaholics at the channel at any given moment to do your dirty work. With genuinely disgusting statements like "where have I seen those words grouped together... some list of things... oh yes, it was standard reasons in the drop down menu for blocking a user. This case is uncomplicated ... all do nicely as block rationales."

Don't play it straight by lodging your complaint and stepping back to let others consider it, rather micro-debate and counterpoint and needle and cast aspersions like "Wikipediocracy goat" every single person who doesn't think Wer900 has done anything much blockworthy.

At the end, a week later and counting, you and your crew pathetically grasp at straws and revert the closes of every previously uninvolved administrator. The gazelle is slipping the clutches of the mangy hyenas and you *just* *can't* *stand* *it*.

Triptych wrote:Mathsci said Wikipediocracy is the "kingdom of the trolls" though, that was kind of funny.

EricBarbour wrote:

Triptych wrote:Mathsci said Wikipediocracy is the "kingdom of the trolls" though, that was kind of funny.

Takes one to know one.

It wasn't Tolkien who wrote:All that is tin does not glitter,
Most all those who wander are lost...

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Per this AE thread, Mathsci is instructed to refrain from posting further enforcement requests regarding the interaction bans listed here on-wiki without prior private consultation and agreement from an uninvolved adminstrator familiar with the case.

Captain Occam wrote:Wer900, if you decide you want to respond to this, something I think you should know is that Mathsci appears to be violating the AE sanction he was placed under in December.

Per this AE thread, Mathsci is instructed to refrain from posting further enforcement requests regarding the interaction bans listed here on-wiki without prior private consultation and agreement from an uninvolved adminstrator familiar with the case.

Unless an uninvolved admin gave him permission to make his current AE report, he's violating that sanction. I think SightWatcher should know about this, and I'm not sure whether he does. I'll try to make sure he knows, but it would be helpful if you could mention it somewhere that he's likely to see it, such as in the AE thread.

Wer900 wrote:Over at Arbitration Enforcement, Mathsci continues his latest tempest in a teapot.

EricBarbour wrote:This is turning into yet another Mathsci "LOOKATME LOOKATME" drama thread. The guy is a shrieking paranoiac, and if the Wikipedians keep him around, they are guilty of fueling his mental illness. And some of you gents are not helping, by "interacting" with him. It's what he wants.

(Weren't we talking about Beelzebub or Boobiehead or whatever?)

EricBarbour wrote:(Weren't we talking about Beelzebub or Boobiehead or whatever?)

Captain Occam wrote:Does anyone have any comments on the interaction bans that are being proposed?

Personally, I'm kind of pessimistic about whether these are going to pass. ArbCom has proposed similar motions twice before, here and here. Both times, the motion failed because they decided a full case was needed instead. (For example, see the comments by SilkTork and HersFold on the second motion.) But I guess it's possible they've changed their minds about that now.

I also think they're making a mistake not including TrevelyanL85A2 in the motion. He was the original editor whose one-way interaction ban Mathsci gamed in order to get him blocked, and if he's ever unblocked, the exact same situation will probably repeat itself involving him.

EricBarbour wrote:(Weren't we talking about Beelzebub or Boobiehead or whatever?)

Depending on whether there's anything else to discuss about the interaction bans, it might be worth splitting this part of the discussion into a separate thread.

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Captain Occam wrote:Does anyone have any comments on the interaction bans that are being proposed?

Personally, I'm kind of pessimistic about whether these are going to pass. ArbCom has proposed similar motions twice before, here and here. Both times, the motion failed because they decided a full case was needed instead. (For example, see the comments by SilkTork and HersFold on the second motion.) But I guess it's possible they've changed their minds about that now.

I also think they're making a mistake not including TrevelyanL85A2 in the motion. He was the original editor whose one-way interaction ban Mathsci gamed in order to get him blocked, and if he's ever unblocked, the exact same situation will probably repeat itself involving him.

EricBarbour wrote:(Weren't we talking about Beelzebub or Boobiehead or whatever?)

Depending on whether there's anything else to discuss about the interaction bans, it might be worth splitting this part of the discussion into a separate thread.

Wer900 wrote:Congratulations, Mathsci, I'll now be asked to testify before the Kangaroo Court.

"For those who stubbornly seek freedom around the world, there can be no more urgent task than to come to understand the mechanisms and practices of indoctrination."

- Noam Chomsky

The Devil's Advocate wrote:On an actually relevant note, the case filed against Wer has died a silent death.

Randy from Boise wrote:

The Devil's Advocate wrote:On an actually relevant note, the case filed against Wer has died a silent death.

I hope our friend learns from the experience and keeps the on-site criticism appropriate. If that ended at ArbCom, he'd be playing golf with Kiefer. And next time, it's probably gonna end at ArbCom...

RfB

Wer900 wrote:

Randy from Boise wrote:

The Devil's Advocate wrote:On an actually relevant note, the case filed against Wer has died a silent death.

I hope our friend learns from the experience and keeps the on-site criticism appropriate. If that ended at ArbCom, he'd be playing golf with Kiefer. And next time, it's probably gonna end at ArbCom...

RfB

Tell me, how am I supposed to improve? I never did or said anything I thought would be grossly degrading to Beeblebrox. If I did, I would like to know. I'm being honest here.

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Zoloft wrote:

Wer900 wrote:

Randy from Boise wrote:

The Devil's Advocate wrote:On an actually relevant note, the case filed against Wer has died a silent death.

I hope our friend learns from the experience and keeps the on-site criticism appropriate. If that ended at ArbCom, he'd be playing golf with Kiefer. And next time, it's probably gonna end at ArbCom...

RfB

Tell me, how am I supposed to improve? I never did or said anything I thought would be grossly degrading to Beeblebrox. If I did, I would like to know. I'm being honest here.

Criticize prickly admins over HERE. It's what we're for among other things.