IRC Log for #microformats on 2009年05月22日

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  133. [20:19:09] <KevinMarks> http://www.flickr.com/photos/zeldman/3554249843/ HMTL has won
  134. [20:24:08] <csarven> What did HTML/CSS/JavaScript beat? :) Gopher?
  135. [20:24:35] <KevinMarks> Java I assume
  136. [20:24:38] <KevinMarks> Flash
  137. [20:24:42] <KevinMarks> Sliverlight
  138. [20:33:53] <singpolyma> csarven: you can delvier HTML over Gopher. They don't actually compete ;)
  139. [20:40:13] <azazul> watta waste
  140. [20:52:04] <tantek_> csarven - I believe the reference is to other markup technologies that were pitched for the web browser
  141. [20:52:16] <tantek_> that supposedly were going to replace HTML, clean it all up etc.
  142. [20:52:18] <tantek_> like XML
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  145. [20:52:47] <csarven> I think it is moreso what KevinMarks suggested
  146. [20:53:09] <tantek> and for CSS, perhaps the reference is to XSL-FO which was actually seriously advocated as a competing presentation technology for the Web at one point.
  147. [20:55:51] <csarven> I don't XML/XSL-FO were in direct competition with HTML/CSS because they are simply designed to solve different (perhaps similar) problems.
  148. [20:56:02] <csarven> ^think
  149. [20:56:46] <tantek> csarven - if you read their goals statements etc. at the time, they were very much intended to be used on the Web, clientside, and eventually replace HTML
  150. [20:57:01] <tantek> there are many that still believe this (that random XML will replace HTML on the Web)
  151. [20:57:07] <csarven> I didn't know that was the mission :)
  152. [20:57:16] <tantek> of course it was because HTML was such a mess
  153. [20:57:39] <tantek> so hard to parse etc. so first thing, let's make something much easier to parse because of course that's the most important thing right? (sound familiar?)
  154. [20:57:53] <csarven> :)
  155. [20:58:06] <csarven> Well, HTML is not going away anytime soon
  156. [20:58:12] <csarven> By any means of imagination
  157. [21:01:30] <csarven> It doesn't mean that HTML solves all problems either. So, good to have both IMO
  158. [21:03:25] <csarven> Gotta run.
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  162. [21:12:23] <tantek> csarven - when something claims that it "solves all problems" - it rarely does a good job of solving any problems, more likely does a poor job of solving some problems.
  163. [21:12:30] <tantek> "solves all problems" is a very poor design methodology in practice.
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