John,  (01)
What we try to do is impossible, no? And so, let's just give up, eh?  (02)
Thanks,
Leo  (03)
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>Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Discussion re reasoning about Time and State with
>REST interfaces
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>Dear Ed and Matthew,
>
>EJB
>> There is no good model for all problems.
>
>That is the understatement of the year.
>
>I would add that even for a single project -- say designing
>an airplane, a house, or a computer -- there are a huge number
>of problems that require different models. And those models
>are *rarely, if ever* consistent with one another when you
>get down to the grubby details of each.
>
>MW
>> The important thing to take from this is not that it is too
>> difficult, but that you need to think about how time relates
>> to the requirements you are trying to meet, and make sure
>> you have a model that is fit for purpose. A particularly bad
>> approach is to start with a current state model and then try
>> to add change, history and time later.
>
>For any particular model, that's true. But note that even for
>designing a house (a typical one-family home), there are a large
>number of different models. All of them have to be consistent
>(to a good approximation) with the map drawn up by the surveyor
>and the blueprints drawn up by the architect.
>
>But all the subcontractors come with their own models (usually
>mental): plumbers, electricians, carpenters, landscapers,
>excavators, etc. Try discussing identity conditions with them.
>A blank stare is preferable to some remarks they might make.
>
>Now multiply those issues by thousands, if you're trying to
>design a Boeing 787 or Airbus 380. It's no wonder that those
>projects weren't finished on time and within budget.
>
>By the way, I attended a talk last week about data mining in
>bioinformatics. The speaker said that he talked with many of
>the physicians at a large, modern hospital. None of them had
>heard anything about ontology or the related terms that we
>kick around on this list.
>
>If they happen to choose a formally defined term from a menu,
>what is the likelihood that their intended use is consistent
>with the formal definition?
>
>John
>
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