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To: "[ontolog-forum] " <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Matthew West" <dr.matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx>
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From: "Avril Styrman" <Avril.Styrman@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 2012年9月30日 23:26:07 +0300
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Matthew, John, Chris,  (01)
John already told it, but to clarify once more, when you have only 
rank 1 sets, and you decide that you do not use the memberOf operator, 
and you forget the atoms that are not members of sets, then you can 
apply sets and discrete/atomistic mereology in an identical way. But 
once I suggest this, people immediately say "what about a in {a}?" 
This shows that unnecessary elements should not be included, only 
because they are a potential source of confusion. In general, the less 
unnecessary confusion, the better. That's why it's probably better to 
follow John's advise and use 'set' only to refer to Cantor-originated 
stuff. But all Cantor-originated stuff does not have to suffer from 
the problems that have been pointed out by a long parade of the 
greatest philosophers in this planet.  (02)
I'm only interested in structural features of set theory, i.e., about 
applying set theoretic structures to the concrete measurable reality. 
I'm not talking about set theory as a foundation of mathematics at 
all. Having this view, only a very diminished version of set theory is 
required. Here is one version, which I call finitist set theory (FST):  (03)
 http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/astyrman/fst.pdf  (04)
It is currently under evaluation. From the viewpoint of a 
mathematician who is concentrated on ZF(C), this is just an 
unimportant and uninteresting theory that can be encoded by using ZF. 
 From a structural point of view, it is the minimal theory that can be 
used in building granular structures, and it has several advantages 
compared to ZFU and KPU (set theories which accommodate ur-elements).  (05)
1. It is finite, i.e., there are no transfinite sets. You explicitly 
assign the number of atoms (ur-elements) and the maximum rank. Thus, 
axiom of foundation is not needed: it is needed only to exclude some 
implications of the transfinite hierarchy, but because there are only 
finitely many sets, there is no danger of non-wellfounded structures 
in the first place.  (06)
2. The disclusion of empty set is inherited from mereology. That is a 
great simplification: empty set is not needed, and thus there is no 
use to have it. It only messes up conceptual modeling.  (07)
3. All set theories I'm aware of (except FST) have copied the axiom of 
union from ZF. It follow from ZF's union that in order to have all 
rank n sets, also rank n+1 sets have to exist. In FST, you define the 
maximum rank, and the axioms give all sets from rank 1 to n. This was 
done by modifying the axiom of union. Also the axiom of pairing was 
diminished into the axiom of singleton sets. Pairing is just 
unnecessarily strong.  (08)
FST should be seen as a nonproblematic foundation of granularity. In 
general, you can encode whatever with ZFC. Then again, if you only 
need the encoded version, the question rises that for what purpose do 
you need ZFC. In the big picture, you have natural language and you 
can make any theory with it. So, when talking about modeling the 
measurable reality, why do we need to have ZFC as a mid-layer between 
NL and e.g. FST? Scientists should not be concentrated too much on 
ZFC. If someone needs granularity, she can have it, without having to 
learn ZFC. Take a biologist, chemist, a computer scientist, or anyone 
who is interested in modeling the measurable reality. It's not 
necessary for them to spend time on learning and undestanding ZFC: 
they can enjoy the fruitful features of set theory without ZFC.  (09)
-Avril  (010)
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