John:  (01)
(inline)  (02)
On 8/7/07 6:34 AM, "John Black" <JohnBlack@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> But he doesn't stop
> there, he also claims that progress in getting machines to due similar
> tasks has been severely hampered by the erroneous belief that algorithms and
> calculation could somehow reproduce the functionality of the cortex.  (03) 
DN: I totally agree with this. This is the basic point I was trying to
make. I hadn't realized someone else had already gone there. I find a lot
of ontology work related to the notion that defining logic is the first step
of a process to replicate the human existence inside an application,
bestowing cognitive, precognitive and learning capabilities to a pile of
code. A pile of code still seems to miss something (perhaps intuition of
precognitive capabilities?).  (04)
When analyzing the real world, I find the preposition of access to all truth
and knowledge in totality, then filtering out the applicable statements at
time of need, suboptimal. As a former world class athlete (downhill
mountain bike racing), instinct was much more important in a race than
thinking. You simply do not have time to calculate in some instances
therefore the whole model of calculations to solve a problem becomes moot.
Sure some of it happens subconsciously (my motto used to be jump first,
figure out the landing later). This lead to a few accidents including
several concussions which may explain my interest in computational studies
;-)  (05)
> I think this is relevant to ontology and logic both when it comes to the
> ability to choose and interpret symbols to use to identify the things about
> which the ontology and logic are about.  (06) 
DN: Again find myself in agreement but this is a rather abstract statement
and hence hard to find fault with. I would assert that there seems to be an
aspect that transcends ontology and computational intelligence as we know it
but I find thinking about how you think is actually one of the hardest
activities. Even separating emotions from identity is difficult.  (07)
This sort of becomes a quasi philosophical discussion akin to existentialism
( Kierkegaard and Nietzsche et al).  (08)
Duane 
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