In message <001301c6f8d77ドルe631e80$0702a8c0 at Guides.local>, Mike Schinkel <mikeschinkel at gmail.com> writes >>> cardinal sin >>Is this a pragmatic group that I'm working with, or a bunch of >religious zealots that I've managed to get entangle with? [assuming you're not joking] "cardinal" in this sense means: "essential"; "of foremost importance"; "paramount" and "cardinal sin" is a common idiom. See, for example: <http://www.answers.com/cardinal&r=67> -- Andy Mabbett Say "NO!" to compulsory ID Cards: <http://www.no2id.net/> Free Our Data: <http://www.freeourdata.org.uk>