[LOGic] 2 RIGS IN LOGIC

Fri Nov 30 18:08:13 EST 2007

Good grief!!! I can't believe I've been looking at these for years and not 
"seeing" them. Thanks, Ben. Boy, do I feel silly!
--JW
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ben N6FM" <n6fm at oregonfast.net>
To: "'J. Wolf'" <k6jw at scdxc.org>; "'LOGic is open to all radio amateurs for 
discussion of LOGic logging program'" <logic at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 14:21
Subject: RE: [LOGic] 2 RIGS IN LOGIC
> You don't. There are 1 2 3 4 labeled buttons on the top right of the log
> form. That switches radios instantaneously.
>> -----Original Message-----
> From: logic-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:logic-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> On Behalf Of J. Wolf
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 2:06 PM
> To: LOGic is open to all radio amateurs for discussion of LOGic logging
> program
> Subject: Re: [LOGic] 2 RIGS IN LOGIC
>> This one my very few nits to pick with LOGic, namely, that it is
> difficult to run multiple rigs simultaneously. For awhile, I used a
> different logging program that made going back between transceivers 
> simple:
> one click on the memory bar at the top of the screen. It would be nice if
> Dennis could do this for us in LOGic.. Having to go to Log-->Setup-->Rig,
> Rotor and Terminal to change rigs is simply kludgy and inconvenient when
> using two radios. I have two Mark-Vs and an FT-857D, each ported through a
> serial-to-USB converter into a multiport hub that also hosts my 
> Rigblaster,
> SteppIR and Rotor controller lines. This allows me to use one single USB
> port on the computer, itself, and it works quite well. The radio switching
> thing, however, remains very frustrating.
> --Jeff, K6JW
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mel Martin" <ve2dc at videotron.ca>
> To: "'LOGic is open to all radio amateurs for discussion of LOGic logging
> program'" <logic at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 17:08
> Subject: RE: [LOGic] 2 RIGS IN LOGIC
>>> No I don't think so... At least not in the near future. The standard is
> still current and used in the industrial world where it's noise immunity 
> is
> important. So there will always be <something> to RS232 adapters 
> available.
>>> +++ Mel
>>> -----Original Message-----
> From: logic-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:logic-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> On Behalf Of K0DAN
> Sent: November 29, 2007 18:28
> To: LOGic is open to all radio amateurs for discussion of LOGic logging
> program
> Subject: Re: [LOGic] 2 RIGS IN LOGIC
>>> Interesting perspective on timne, obsolesence, and ham radio (only
> boatanchors will have RS232?!?). The challenge will be deriving RS232 when
> all other manufacturers have long since forgotten it!
>> 73
> K0DAN
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mel Martin" <ve2dc at videotron.ca>
> To: "'LOGic is open to all radio amateurs for discussion of LOGic logging
> program'" <logic at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [LOGic] 2 RIGS IN LOGIC
>>> Some newer transceivers are using Ethernet. The trouble is transceivers 
> are
> used for decades. The RS232 interface has been around for a very long time
> and is still used for other applications. It has had a long life... 
> Unusual
> in the PC world. Will USB 2.0 ports still be available in 20 years? In the
> 90's we were still using BNC connectors for Ethernet! I wouldn't count on
> any current connection still being available in 10 years... But I'll bet
> that RS232 is still being used for low-speed serial data where very high
> noise immunity is required.
>>> +++ Mel
>>> -----Original Message-----
> From: logic-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:logic-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> On Behalf Of K0DAN
> Sent: November 29, 2007 13:36
> To: Robie
> Cc: logic at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [LOGic] 2 RIGS IN LOGIC
>>> Hi Robie...
>> Thanks for yur comments. I just sent some more questions to Jack K4WSB, 
> CC'd
> to the reflector, so will not duplicate here. But they all relate to
> possible changes in operating habits using LOGIC, concessions, etc., when
> the complexity of two rigs is added.
>> It's hard to find more than one serial port on a PC anymore...sometimes no
> COM port at all! Soon they will be gone entirely. I only use a laptop with
> LOGIC when running Field Day or other contest scenario, but the laptops 
> are
> notorious for no longer having COM ports. Yours & Jack's suggestion to use 
> a
> USB-derived serial interface sounds like the best future-looking solution,
> even though it's a bit pricey. It's surprising that transceiver mfgrs are
> still using a serial bus, when USB, Bluetooth, firewire, and even WIFI are
> available to them. Yes, it costs them money to develop something new,
> but......
>> I appreciate your (and others') insights into solving my new problem. I
> still have to think through antenna, amplifier, and soundcard switching. 
> New
> rig = highclass problems!
>> Tnx es 73
>> Dan
> K0DAN
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robie" <aj4f at comcast.net>
> To: "K0DAN" <k0dan at comcast.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [LOGic] 2 RIGS IN LOGIC
>>>> Dan,
>>>> Several others have commented already, but here is my bit! With a
>> kenwood and a yaesu you will need two ports, one for each radio. You
>> can use two native serial ports on your mother board (assuming you
>> have them!), serial ports on an expansion board, USB to serial
>> converters etc. I have successfully used all of the above at one time
>> or another. I have heard that some individuals have had problems with
>> serial ports on lap top computers. Personally, I have never used
>> Logic on a lap top, so I have no first hand experience. Currently, I
>> use one native serial port connected to a CI-V interface for my IC746
>> and a USB to serial converter connected to my Elecraft K2. Both work
>> well. My computer is an old generic AMD running Windows XP.
>>>> I hope this helps!
>>>> Robie - AJ4F
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "K0DAN" <k0dan at comcast.net>
>> To: "LOGic is open to all radio amateurs for discussion of LOGic
>> logging program" <logic at mailman.qth.net>
>> Cc: <aj4f at comcast.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [LOGic] 2 RIGS IN LOGIC
>>>>>>> Hi Robie...
>>>>>> So is this bottom line that I need a separate serial port for each
>>> radio?
>>>>>> Barring availability of multiple serial ports on the hamshack PC, do
>>> I have an option to look for one of the multi-serial kludge devices
>>> and/or USB-to-serial black boxes?
>>>>>> Seting up each rig in LOGIC is easy and obvious, altho the interface
>>> to the outside world is a little more mysterious.
>>>>>> One rig is a Yaesu, one's and Kenwood.
>>>>>> Tnx es 73
>>>>>> Dan
>>> K0DAN
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Robie" <aj4f at comcast.net>
>>> To: "LOGic is open to all radio amateurs for discussion of LOGic
>>> logging program" <logic at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:56 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [LOGic] 2 RIGS IN LOGIC
>>>>>>>>>> Dan,
>>>>>>>> In a nut shell, you must set up each rig with its own port using the
>>>> setup menu. You will see a seperate "rig" display for each rig in
>>>> Logic. You can select the rig from which Logic will collect data on
>>>> the Main log form.
>>>>>>>> If you have multiple ICOM rigs I believe it is possible to use only
>>>> one port and simply specivy different addresses for each rig.
>>>>>>>> Robie - AJ4F
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "K0DAN" <k0dan at comcast.net>
>>>> To: <logic at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 12:55 PM
>>>> Subject: [LOGic] 2 RIGS IN LOGIC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I just added another transceiver to the hamshack and now have two HF
>>>>>stations on the air simultaneously. Can't find anything in the HELP
>>>>>index for setting up two rigs with LOGIC.
>>>>>>>>>> What options do I have in order to connect both to LOGIC?
>>>>>>>>>> It'd be preferable to have both rigs simultaneously interfaced with
>>>>> LOGIC, but I could live with fast switching between the two rigs
>>>>> (but prefer not to have to swap cables and change setup menu each
>>>>> time).
>>>>>>>>>> Has this topic been sent to the archives?
>>>>>>>>>> Tnx es 73
>>>>> Dan
>>>>> K0DAN
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