[Logic] Canadian Sect. and Mult. Confusion
Mel
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Thu, 8 Jan 2004 20:49:40 -0500
Well, at least we know what goes into the list of values now... Even if
it doesn't make much sense...=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]=20
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bradford J.=20
> Williams - N8GLS
> Sent: January 8, 2004 20:23
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [Logic] Canadian Sect. and Mult. Confusion
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> Hi Mel,
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> That's pretty much my feeling as well.
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> I wasn't trying to ruffle the masses, and this dead horse=20
> can't be beat anymore, so I think I'll just go back to=20
> messing with LOGic to see how I can get the multipliers to=20
> handle correctly from a contest logform.
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> 73, de Brad
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]=20
> [mailto:[email protected]]On
> Behalf Of Mel
> Sent: Thursday, 08 January, 2004 7:37 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [Logic] Canadian Sect. and Mult. Confusion
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> "as it has not been a problem in many years, and is well=20
> ingrained among thousands of contesters."
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> Well that's complete moose manure!!! I lose a LOT of time=20
> every contest explaining that the multiplier for Quebec is QC=20
> and not PQ, which the ARRL used to use ( and did change=20
> because I used to have to explain why it was PQ and not QC )=20
> And I've seen long discussions on reflectors of people trying=20
> to understand why there are 14 provinces.
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> Since they used the postal abbreviations for the US states...=20
> It would be a courtesy if they would do the same for Canada,=20
> as THAT is what most people expect. And using NWT for NT=20
> because they used NT as a section identifier is really=20
> confusing. I'm sure their heart is in the right place, but I=20
> wish they would straighten this out once and for all!
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> To sum up... They should use postal codes for Provinces...=20
> There should be 13, and they can use whatever they like for=20
> Sections... If they insist on 14 divisions for some=20
> contest... DON"T CALL THEM PROVINCES!!!
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]=20
> [mailto:[email protected]]=20
> > On Behalf Of Bradford J. Williams - N8GLS
> > Sent: January 8, 2004 19:06
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: RE: [Logic] Canadian Sect. and Mult. Confusion
> >
> >
> > Hi Bob,
> >
> > Sorry, but I think were all beating a dead horse. The=20
> responses I got=20
> > back from the ARRL stack-up like this:
> >
> > The ARRL Sections have nothing to do with contests.
> > Several contests "conveniently" use the ARRL Section list as=20
> > multipliers. The multiplier abbreviations will be "whatever=20
> works". =20
> > There is nothing in the rules that says they have to follow US or=20
> > Canadian postal abbreviations. There is no reason to change=20
> anything=20
> > as it has not been a problem in many years, and is well ingrained=20
> > among thousands of contesters.
> >
> > So, it boils down to this. In the eyes of the ARRL, there are 14=20
> > Provinces in Canada, period......forget the fact that there=20
> are 13, it=20
> > doesn't matter because they are "just" multipliers. Now, there are=20
> > three ARRL contests that treat Canadian "provinces" as=20
> multipliers (I=20
> > should have said ARRL's "view" of what Canada's provinces=20
> are), they=20
> > are ARRL Int'l DX, 10-Meter, and RTTY Round-up. For these contests,
> > the multipliers are AB, BC, LB, MB, NB, NF, NS, NU, NWT, ON,
> > PEI, QC, SK, and YT.
> >
> > Now, this leaves those contests that "conveniently" use the ARRL=20
> > Sections as multipliers, they are the 160 Meter contest and the=20
> > November Sweepstakes, for them the multipliers are AB, BC, MAR, MB,=20
> > NL, NT, ON, QC, and SK.
> >
> > So for any other contests, your at the mercy of yourself, your=20
> > logging/contest software maker, or a reflector like this=20
> one to find=20
> > out how to handle the inconsistent use of multiplier rules and=20
> > abbreviations. For LOGic I will undo what I did last week=20
> and go back=20
> > to VE Provinces that match the above. That way at least the major=20
> > contest logforms will still work.
> >
> > Until I or someone else can figure a way to pull multiple=20
> variations=20
> > out of a list of valid values I'll wait to do anything else.
> >
> > 73, de Brad, N8GLS
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]=20
> > [mailto:[email protected]]On
> > Behalf Of R Johnson
> > Sent: Thursday, 08 January, 2004 4:43 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Cc: [email protected]
> > Subject: [Logic] Canadian Sect. and Mult. Confusion
> >
> >
> > Below are the extracts from the ARRL sponsored contests showing the=20
> > CAN multipliers. These are taken from the Contest Rules on the ARRL=20
> > Web Site.
> >
> > This lack of consistency is creating much confusion amongst=20
> Contesters=20
> > and the Authors of Contest Programs.
> >
> > I fail to see why we can not use the use the 13 multipliers=20
> as defined=20
> > by the standard CAN Postal abbreviations. NS (VE1), QC (VE2), ON=20
> > (VE3), MB (VE4), SK (VE5), AB (VE6), BC (VE7), NT (VE8), NB=20
> (VE9) NL=20
> > (VO1,VO2), NU (VY=D8), YT (VY1), PE (VY2).
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> > Other contests such as RAC Canada Day, RAC Winter and NCJ's=20
> NAQP and=20
> > Sprint all use the 10 Provinces and 3 Territories to give 13=20
> > multipliers.
> >
> > The League seems to be out of step with everyone else (MY
> > opinion) !!!! While they as the Contest Sponsors, can define things=20
> > the way they want, but it sure would nice for all the=20
> logging programs=20
> > to be able to be able to use common definitions to=20
> facilitate moving=20
> > data between each other.
> >
> > 73
> > Bob, K1VU
> > ************************************************************
> > ARRL 10M 2003 (14 CAN Multipliers Defined)
> > 5.2.2. Canada [NB (VE1, 9), NS (VE1), QC (VE2), ON (VE3),=20
> MB (VE4), SK=20
> > (VE5), AB (VE6), BC (VE7), NWT (VE8), NF, (VO1), LB (VO2)],=20
> YT (VY1),=20
> > PEI
> > (VY2) NU (VY=D8).
> >
> > ************************************************************
> > ARRL 160M 2003 (Nothing Defined)
> > 5.2.1. Northern Territory (NT) multiplier includes the Northwest=20
> > (NWT), Yukon (VY1) and Nunavut (VY0) territories. Could be 9 Mults=20
> > where MAR=3DNB,NS,PEI + NT=3DNT,NU,NW + NL=3DNF,LA PLUS=20
> QC,ON,MB,SK,AB,BC OR=20
> > Could be 11 mults where NT=3DNT,NU,NW
> > + NL=3DNF,LA PLUS NS,QC,ON,MB,SK,AL,BC,NB,PE
> > OR
> > Could be 12 mults where NT=3DNT,NU,NW PLUS=20
> > NS,QC,ON,MB,SK,AL,BC,NB,NL,LA,PE
> >
> > ************************************************************
> > ARRL Field Day 2003
> > nothing directly defined That I could find easily)
> >
> > ************************************************************
> > ARRL International DX 2004 (14 CAN Multipliers Defined) 5.2.2. DX=20
> > stations: Sum of US states (except KH6/KL7), District of Columbia=20
> > (DC), and Canadian
> > provinces/territories: NB (VE1, 9), NS (VE1), QC (VE2), ON=20
> (VE3), MB=20
> > (VE4), SK (VE5), AB (VE6), BC (VE7), NWT (VE8), NF (VO1),=20
> LB (VO2), NU=20
> > (VY0), YT (VY1), PEI (VY2) worked per band (maximum of 63 per band).
> >
> > ************************************************************
> > ARRL November SS 2003 (Nothing Defined)
> > 5.1. Multiplier: Each ARRL Section and RAC Section plus the=20
> Canadian=20
> > NT (Northern Territories - encompassing VE8 / VY1 /
> > VY0) with a maximum number of 80.
> >
> > 5.2. Final score: Multiply QSO points (two per QSO) by the=20
> number of=20
> > ARRL/RAC sections (plus NT VE8/VY1/VY0).
> >
> >
> > Could be 9 Mults where MAR=3DNB,NS,PEI + NT=3DNT,NU,NW + NL=3DNF,LA =
PLUS=20
> > QC,ON,MB,SK,AB,BC OR Could be 11 mults where NT=3DNT,NU,NW
> > + NL=3DNF,LA PLUS NS,QC,ON,MB,SK,AL,BC,NB,PE
> > OR
> > Could be 12 mults where NT=3DNT,NU,NW PLUS=20
> > NS,QC,ON,MB,SK,AL,BC,NB,NL,LA,PE
> >
> > ************************************************************
> > ARRL RTTY Roundup 2004 (14 CAN Multipliers Defined)
> > 5.2. Multipliers: Each US state (except KH6 and KL7) plus=20
> the District=20
> > of Columbia (DC), Canadian provinces/territories: NB (VE1, 9), NS=20
> > (VE1), QC (VE2), ON (VE3), MB (VE4), SK (VE5), AB (VE6), BC=20
> (VE7), NWT=20
> > (VE8), NF (VO1), LB (VO2), NU (VY=D8), YT (VY1), PEI (VY2)=20
> and each DXCC=20
> > country. KH6 and KL7 count only as separate DXCC countries
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