- From: Jonathan Marsh <jmarsh@microsoft.com>
- Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 13:00:23 -0700
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[Edited by Jonathan Marsh, as Dale has experienced severe email problems...] Present: Erik Ackerman Lexmark David Booth W3C Allen Brookes Rogue Wave Software Youenn Fablet Canon Dietmar Gaertner Software AG Mark Jones AT&T Philippe Le H馮aret W3C Kevin Canyang Liu SAP Lily Liu webMethods Jonathan Marsh Chair (Microsoft) Jeff Mischkinsky Oracle Dale Moberg Cyclone Commerce Jean-Jacques Moreau Canon Bijan Parsia University of Maryland MIND Lab Arthur Ryman IBM Igor Sedukhin Computer Associates William Vambenepe Hewlett-Packard Sanjiva Weerawarana IBM Prasad Yendluri webMethods, Inc. Regrets: Roberto Chinnici Sun Microsystems Alan Davies SeeBeyond Steve Graham Global Grid Forum Amelia Lewis TIBCO Steve Lind AT&T Tom Jordahl Macromedia Ingo Melzer DaimlerChrysler Adi Sakala IONA Technologies Jeffrey Schlimmer Microsoft Jerry Thrasher Lexmark Umit Yalcinalp Oracle -------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Assign scribe. Dale Moberg -------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. Approval of minutes: - June 26 telcon [.1]. Belated regrets from Prasad. Correction from JJM about reverting rather than deleting section 1.1. [.2] Minutes approved [.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jun/att-0152/minutes-20030626.html [.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jun/0163.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. Review of Action items [.1]. PENDING 2003年03月13日: Don will write a proposal for annotating schema with part information. PENDING 2003年03月27日: Philippe write up a proposal for embedding binary data types in schema PENDING 2003年05月13日: DaveO to send a motivating example for R131. PENDING 2003年05月13日: Jeffsch, Sanjiva, Glen, Umit, JJM to come up with a proposal to get rid with the message construct, and add programming hints. DONE [.2] 2003年05月14日: Kevin to contact Sanjiva and try to merge proposals. PENDING 2003年06月12日: Jacek to synthesize the different approaches to solving issue 64. PENDING 2003年06月26日: dbooth to propose definitions for "interface", "service", etc. as they pertain to the diagram [.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/#actions [.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0017.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. Review of Action items [.1]. ? 2003年03月13日: Don will write a proposal for annotating schema with part information. ? 2003年03月27日: Philippe write up a proposal for embedding binary data types in schema ? 2003年05月13日: DaveO to send a motivating example for R131. ? 2003年05月13日: Jeffsch, Sanjiva, Glen, Umit, JJM to come up with a proposal to get rid with the message construct, and add programming hints. DONE [.2] 2003年05月14日: Kevin to contact Sanjiva and try to merge proposals. ? 2003年06月12日: Jacek to synthesize the different approaches to solving issue 64. ? 2003年06月26日: dbooth to propose definitions for "interface", "service", etc. as they pertain to the diagram [.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/#actions [.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0017.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- 4. Administrivia a. Welcome new members: - Mark Jones for AT&T (alternate) - Bradley R. Bebee for Hicks & Associates (representing DARPA) b. July FTF logistics [.1], registration [.2] c. Joint plenary with OASIS Dec 8th - how many would attend? Dec 8 Philadelphia -- opportunity to solicit feedback? <sanjiva> Sanjiva will not be able to be in Philly Dec 8th What if Nov. meeting cancelled and replaced by Dec? Slight pref for November. [.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/3/05/f2fJulyLogistics.htm [.2] http://cgi.w3.org/Register/selectUser.pl?_w3c_meetingName=WSAWG_WSDWG_20 0307 ------------------------------------------------------------------ 5. Task Force Status. a. Properties and Features (dormant) b. Patterns MEP task force examined impact on clients of various patterns c. Attributes d. QA & Testing ------------------------------------------------------------------ 6. New Issues. Merged issues list [.1]. - MEP text from WSArch [.2] [.1] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/issues/wsd-issues.html [.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jun/0167.html <editor> Forward to Patterns TF for review. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 7. Substitution groups or <xs:any> extensibility [.1]. [.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jun/0051.html Adding wrapper tag artifact of XML schema, avoid in other schema lang? JM: Possibly but irrelevant for our norm. schema Subst constrains where stuff goes; Open content model less constrained. Straw poll: 1. Subst. groups or 2. Open content model. If 1, then what do we recommend about wrapper elements? DM: what are the options for wrapper elements MJ: subset of schema ? JM: earlier we said no in a response to a query Arthur: best to have fixed schema bijan: how about two versions, one with subst. groups one without JM: more work for us, complexity Sanjiva: can write schema with open content model ... 6 for open 2 for subst. 9 abstains [* Philippe notes that it will resolve an issue with XML Schema validators at the same time :)] JM: will update to use open content model Arthur: lax, strict ? * Philippe processContents = (lax | skip | strict) : strict ACTION: Arthur to figure out which validation mode -------------------------------------------------------------------- 8. Single service per interface motivation [.1, .2] Comments on the pretty pictures [.3]. Simplification of the simplification proposal [.4]. Error in diagram (David) [.5]. [.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0095.html [.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0104.html [.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jun/0023.html [.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jun/0031.html [.5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jun/0064.html JM: any comments on single service issue <igors> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jun/0127.html Igor: describes implementational burdens of aggregation -- see link too Sanjiva: aggregation almost in choreography topic Arthur: why not inheritance Igor: ambiguity and example Sanjiva: aggregation handled in bpel Arthur: two services combined or two implementations Sanjiva: wsdl 1.1 did not explain how to combine 2 porttypes into 1 , e.g., java interface <sanjiva> does anyone know of any wsdl2java tools that will properly generate multiple interfaces? I don't think Axis' tool does that; I believe it picks the first attempt to identify impact on lang. bindings Igor: migration issue remains JM: key shift is in thinking about service Igor: composition variants revisited, inheritance for interfaces vs. aggregation of services JM: terminology question pertaining to migration probably needs to be addressed WS-I profile should discourage mult. interfaces per service... (BP 1.1) * sanjiva thinks that we should rename what we're producing WSDL 2.0 * sanjiva believes that even more if (and when) we remove <message> David: to mark a relationship between mult. service elements in same file, add a name AII. OK that we don't provide semantics for that name. Sanjiva: targetNamespace provides grouping David: ponders whether that would suffice for marking group * sanjiva thinks that URIs do indeed name everything under the sun ;-) Scribe refuses to summarize point about no name is a name. * bijan is glad that real numbers aren't under the sun... * Marsh thanks Scribe for giving "point about no name is a name" a name :-) Igor: calls for cleanup <sanjiva> Kevin's and my proposal for cleaning up bindings is published on the list Sanjiva: agrees that some of the qname redundancies in binding deserve fix Consensus favors single interface for service! * jeffm the crowd cheers * sanjiva wonders whether we'll be back to square one on the list as today appears to be a lightly attended call Meeting adjourned.
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