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Web Services Description Working Group 2002年09月05日 conference call minutes. Attendance Present: David Booth W3C Allen Brookes Rogue Wave Software Roberto Chinnici Sun Microsystems Youenn Fablet Canon Dietmar Gaertner Software AG Martin Gudgin Microsoft Tom Jordahl Macromedia Philippe Le H馮aret W3C Steve Lind AT&T Kevin Canyang Liu SAP Michael Mahan Nokia Jonathan Marsh Chair (Microsoft) Jeff Mischkinsky Oracle Dale Moberg Cyclone Commerce Jean-Jacques Moreau Canon Arthur Ryman IBM Waqar Sadiq Electronic Data Systems Jeffrey Schlimmer Microsoft Igor Sedukhin Computer Associates Jerry Thrasher Lexmark William Vambenepe Hewlett-Packard Don Wright Lexmark Joyce Yang Oracle Prasad Yendluri webMethods, Inc. Barbara Zengler DaimlerChrysler Research and Technology Regrets: Michael Champion Software AG Glen Daniels Macromedia Laurent De Teneuille L'Echangeur Tim Finin University of Maryland Steve Graham Global Grid Forum Jacek Kopecky Systinet Dan Kulp IONA Amelia Lewis TIBCO Michael Mealling Verisign Don Mullen Tibco Pallavi Malu Intel Johan Pauhlsson L'Echangeur Stefano Pogliani Sun Jochen Ruetschlin DaimlerChrysler Research and Technology Adi Sakala IONA Technologies Daniel Schutzer Citigroup Dave Solo Citigroup Steve Tuecke Global Grid Forum Sanjiva Weerawarana IBM Absent: Mike Ballantyne Electronic Data Systems Mike Davoren W. W. Grainger Sandeep Kumar Cisco Systems Mike McHugh W. W. Grainger William Stumbo Xerox Sandra Swearingen U.S. Department of Defense, U.S. Air Force -------------------------------------------------------------------- Agenda: 1. Assign scribe. 2. Approval of minutes 3. Review of Action items. 4. SOAP 1.2 Last Call 5. FTF Agenda 6. New Issues 7. SOAP TF Status 8. Proposal: Hoisting SOAP binding attributes. 9. Issue 51: Asymmetry between soap:body and soap:header 10. Issue 25: Interaction between W3C XML Schema and SOAP Data Model 11. Issue 5: EncodingStyle Issue 30: soap:body encodingStyle 12. Issue 18: Default for transport of <soap:binding> 13. HTTP Binding Issues (6a, 41) -------------------------------------------------------------------- Agenda Items: 2. Approval of Minutes: (Done) -------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. Review of Action items. 2002年07月21日: GlenD and JJM to write up proposal for handling MEPs with regard to Soap. Discussion: Proposal from GlenD sent to list. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Sep/0004.html Resolution: (Done) New Action Item: (None) 2002年07月21日: GLEN & Sanjiva to write up the comment about MEPs & features to XMLP group Discussion: Time for input to XMLP Group has expired. Resolution: (Retired) New Action Item: (None) 2002年07月21日: GlenD to send DavidB details on hosting November F2F Discussion: Still waiting for details. Tom Jordahl agreed to assume action and send out details. Resolution: Pending, Re-assigned to Tom. New Action Item: (None) 2002年07月21日: JM to decide potential November F2F overlap on Wed Nov 13 with Architecture Group. Discussion: JM will address if/when necessary. Resolution: Retired New Action Item: (None) 2002年07月21日: Jeffrey & Gudge to flesh out a proposal for omitting operation from soap binding. Discussion: Resolution: PENDING, To be addressed at F2F. New Action Item: (None) 2002年07月21日: Don Mullen to write up an issue on transport attribute. Discussion: Group was unclear as to nature of the issue, wait till DonM returns. Resolution: PENDING New Action Item: (None) 2002年07月25日: Glen write up an issue on transport URIs compliance with SOAP. Discussion: Issue recorded at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0132.html Resolution: (Done) New Action Item: (None) 2002年07月25日: Sanjiva and Gudge to work on combining the AM Discussion: None Resolution: (Done) http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/wsdl12/wsdl12.am.xml New Action Item: (None) [4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0132.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- 4. SOAP 1.2 Last Call [9, 10, 11] call for review [12]. Awaiting text from Glen and/or Sanjiva. I think we missed the boat on this one. [9] http://www.w3.org/TR/soap12-part0/ [10] http://www.w3.org/TR/soap12-part1/ [11] http://www.w3.org/TR/soap12-part2/ [12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0001.html Discussion: No formal response prepared for feedback from the group. Resolution: Cancel New Action Item: (None) -------------------------------------------------------------------- 5. FTF Agenda Review, rearrange and augment first draft of the agenda [13]. Note that the facilities don't accommodate overlapping groups, and we will thus plan to end at noon on Wed. [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2002Sep/0004.html (members only) Discussion: JohnM reviewed the current agenda draft for each day. Additional agenda items to be added from conference call discussion if necessary. Currently no plans to have a joint meeting with Architecture Group. Phone access to F2F meeting is being set up however details currently not available. Currently planning capacity for 5 incoming calls. Please ping DBooth if you plan on dialing into the F2F (members only). It was requested that an agenda item for an update from a WSI-Org liaison be added. JeffM agreed to give the update. Briefly discussed possible subject matter to be covered. It was requested that an agenda item be added to discuss REST (what is it, does it impact the group). Noted that the Architecture Group has that on their agenda for the F2F. It was suggested to ask the Architecture Grp to have the REST presentation/discussion on Wed. during F2F and to allowing ws-desc members to attend. Suggested discussing GlenD MEP proposal at the F2F in his absence. Left off F2F agenda for now. Observers to attend the F2F: Erik Ackerman Lexmark Hao He Thomson Paco Curbera IBM Also Architecture Gp members are invited to Wed. PM F2F meeting time. Updated Agenda will be sent out. New Action Item: (None) JohnM to request Architecture GP give REST pres. on Wed. at F2F. Please ping DBooth if you plan on dialing into the F2F (members only). -------------------------------------------------------------------- 6. New Issues Philippe points out a couple of public comments on the public comments list [13]. What process do we want to follow (pre-last-call) to respond to these comments and make sure real ones appear on our issues list? [14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-comments/ Discussion: Public Comments have been/will be addressed by the Editors. Editors will get public email comments directly to expedite turn-around. W3C Last Call procedure requires workgroup response to public feedback. Editorial staff will act as filter for the group for addressing technical comments that require design or discussion(i.e., not editorial). Resolution: (Done) New Action Item: (None) -------------------------------------------------------------------- 7. SOAP TF Status? Need more meetings? Is [15] the output? Conclusions so far: (1) We need to be able to express MEPs in the SOAP binding. (2) The ability to describe features and MEPs at the abstract level would be a good thing, but right now we don't know how much effort it would take to do so. (3) Feedback to XMLP WG: lack of something (such as a header) to express the MEP in use. (Glen: perhaps we should say that, for each binding, there must be a way to identify unambiguously the MEP in use; of course, for bindings that support just one MEP that's a no-op). (4) Currently, there is no well-defined one-way MEP. [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0034.html This topic was deferred last time. Is there anything more we need to do here? Discussion: Discussed current status of the task force. Proposal from GlenD addresses (1). Other three items have been addressed as well. Resolution: Declared Success and SOAP TF closed down. New Action Item: (none) -------------------------------------------------------------------- 8. Proposal: Hoisting SOAP binding attributes [16]. Roberto's amendment at [17]. [16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0058.html [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0105.html Discussion: It was decided that the group should discuss the proposal at F2F. Resolution: PENDING New Action Item: (none) JohnM to add to F2F agenda. -------------------------------------------------------------------- 9. Issue 51: Asymmetry between soap:body and soap:header [18]. Thread starts at [19] (Kevin), continues at [20] and [21]. [18] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x51 [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0048.html [20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0049.html [21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0081.html Discussion: Kevin gave summary of his proposal to address [18]. Concern was raised about how making the <soap:body> and <soap:header> completely symmetric would impact the way these elements are currently used and how they are processed. Resolution: No agreement, Discuss more at F2F. New Action Item: (none) JohnM to add to F2F agenda. -------------------------------------------------------------------- 10. Issue 25: Interaction between W3C XML Schema and SOAP Data Model Gudge's explains at [22], Roberto's options at [23]. [22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jun/0186.html [23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0071.html Discussion: MG gave an overview of Issue 25. It was mentioned (JeffM?) that the WSI group was also addressing this issue. The group briefly discussed how WSI is proposing to address the issue, and the fact that it is basically option 3 from [23]. JeffM will keep group informed on WSI's progress and when reviewable doc's are available. Input to the WSI group was invited. Resolution: Leave Open for now and monitor progress in WSI New Action Item: (None) -------------------------------------------------------------------- 11. Issue 5: EncodingStyle Issue 30: soap:body encodingStyle Dietmar's soaptf proposal for encoding and use attributes. [24] Arthur's recommendations. [25, 26] [24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2002Jul/0016.html [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jun/0178.html [26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jun/0178.html Discussion: Arthur gave summary of his recommendations and it was noted that the recommendation addressed only part of the original set of questions/issues from Dietmar's note and that other issues contained in that note may need to be discussed. John M, Dietmar, etc. discussed if the current issues could be closed and if there needed to be other new issues raised as result of Deitmar's note. Resolution: Issue 5 and 30 are resolved per [25] and [26] recommendations. New Action Items: Dietmar to extract remaining questions/issues from [24] references in a new thread to be opened as a new issue. JohnM to add to F2F agenda. -------------------------------------------------------------------- 12. Issue 18: Default for transport of <soap:binding> [27]. Jeffrey's proposal at [28]. [27] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/issues/wsd-issues.html#x18 [28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0122.html Discussion: Summary of the issues was given and the recommendations. Recollection (from Jeffrey?) was that GlenD may still have concerns about closing Issue 28 without action. The issue of bindings raised in 28 needs a lot of further discussion and the group may need to revisit Issue 18 later if addressing Issue 28 results in a complete binding overhaul. Resolution: Issue 18 to be closed per [28] to make the transport attribute mandatory for the <soap:binding> element. Issue 28 still open and may be discussed at F2F if time permits. New Action Item: (None) -------------------------------------------------------------------- 13. HTTP Binding Issues (6a, 41) Jeffrey recommends no change [29]. Sanjiva is mulling this over [30]. [29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jun/0102.html [30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0067.html Discussion: None. Still waiting for input from Sanjiva. Resolution: Pending New Action Item: (None) -------------------------------------------------------------------- Call Adjourned Summary of New Action Items: 1. Deitmar to extract remaining questions/issues from [24] and sent out in a new email thread to be opened as a new issue(s). -------------------------------------------------------------------- Scribe: Jerry Thrasher
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