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Okay, I've got the Camel book, but right now I'm getting bogged down at the beginning of chapter 2 (where they delve into the details first and then (presumably) bring it together with an overview a bit later). Can anybody recommend any resources on the web for getting started? If it's necessary, I might get the Llama book, but I'd prefer free (as in beer) first. BTW, Nathan, I'll be scrutinizing your code in that dlkern script you wrote. :) Bill -- "Because they know that all they sold you was a guaranteed POS! Look, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it 'guaranteed', I will. I got spare time." -Chris Farley (on Microsoft?), _Tommy Boy_ _______________________________________________ PLUG maillist - PLUG@lists.nothinbut.net http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug