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Voicenet no longer gives out shell accounts due to "security" issues. That's why I went with Cynet.net. IME, they (Cynet) have outstanding technical support, but I really haven't needed it for much more than setup issues. I've never experienced an outage, they're very accomodating with special requests, provide all usenet groups, I connect at 32K or better consistently, and they have pops *everywhere*. I'm hard pressed to be able to find an area in the greater Philadelphia area where they don't have a local dialup number. Peace, Vale On 1999年8月24日, you wrote: > Well I guess I have been lucky - I have used voicenet since winter of > 93/94 and have had no major complaints - I have a shell account that i can > get to no matter where I am, istinfo/plug _______________________________________________ Plug maillist - Plug@lists.nothinbut.net http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug