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I suspect you can type the MathML directly in, MediaWiki software will pass this straight through. Similar to the way you can used raw html <table> tags rather than the wiki {| ... |} syntax. Latex does offer a number of advantages as a more compact syntax and might be able to work better with broweser which can't handle mathml. --Salix alba11:56, 30 January 2006 (UTC)Reply
MathML was never intended to be something you entered directly, but rather something that browsers understood. Typing MathML in by hand would be a major pain. Blahtex converts easy to enter LaTeX code to browser compatible MathML. -- Fropuff18:42, 30 January 2006 (UTC)Reply
What Phil is asking for is certainly possible, but it's not part of our immediate plans (for the reasons outlined by Fropuff). Dmharvey20:41, 30 January 2006 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 19 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion
I guess that this is a bug with mozilla's mathml rendering rather than blahtex, but I'm getting a lot of ugly looking aliasing effects especially for the integral signs. --Salix alba11:48, 30 January 2006 (UTC)Reply
Heres the image I get File:Integral sign.png. A lot seems to do with the font size I'm using, my default is 16pt, when I up the font size a couple of notches things look much better, but still some antialiasing effects. It seems to be quite a well know bug. It looks like a new set of fonts Stix Fonts is in production which hopefully should fix the problems. I tried using the different font.mathfont-family options see [1] which did not seem to have much effect. I'm using Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8) Gecko/20051111 Firefox/1.5 with all the math fonts included. --Salix alba15:55, 31 January 2006 (UTC)Reply
Do you have Windows' "ClearType" functionality switched on? I haven't used windows for a while, but it's somewhere in "desktop appearance" settings or something like that. Dmharvey16:59, 1 February 2006 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 19 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion
I tried running the example page through the W3C validator. Lots of errors due to not finding the DOCTYPE on first line, I then created a local copy removing the initial
<?xml version="1.0"?>
decleration for much imporved results. Page seemed to work in Mozilla fine when loading from my local disk. I guess the trick is to convince media wiki to output the correct mime-type. --Salix alba16:03, 31 January 2006 (UTC)Reply
Yes it works for me too, now. Not sure whats happened and I can't seem to replicate the bug. I did notice the the <?xml decleration now has a character enconding, and the xml and doctype declerations are on the same line, but neither of these seem to have caused the problem. --Salix alba18:29, 13 February 2006 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 14 years ago5 comments4 people in discussion
I hope this is the right place to ask: What about just "switching on" blahTeX in Wikipedia? How far is the implementation in MediaWiki, is any help needed there? BlahTeX itself seems to work fine now, the syntax is being fixed, so when can we do the next step?--Gwaihir23:20, 25 February 2006 (UTC)Reply
Not sure yet. I have been working on this for nine months now, and along the way I have learned to be patient :-) MediaWiki integration is fairly advanced, as you can see from the test wiki. This is all in Jitse's capable hands. He wants to do a bit more documentation, and still needs to port the changes to a more recent version of mediawiki. Right now he's away and sounds like he will be quite busy for a few weeks, so I don't expect it to happen immediately. Then we need to get the attention of the core developers -- the people with root access -- and encourage them to install our modifications. So it will still be a little while. Dmharvey23:45, 25 February 2006 (UTC)Reply
I don't want to sound impatient, but... I noticed that some users try to fix formulas which are not displayed correctly by texvc, like converting (a\bmod m) to (a,円\bmod,円m), which is incorrect in TeX. Instead of fixing the bug in texvc, would it be possible to migrate to blahTeX without switching on the MathML generation, just to get the correct PNGs?--Gwaihir10:16, 23 April 2006 (UTC)Reply
I noticed a "MathML if possible (experimental)" setting in my preferences in Wikipedia, but it seems to have no effect. Any idea when this will be operational? I look forward to being able to both see a pretty formula and copying from it with ease. Int21h07:08, 15 April 2010 (UTC)Reply
I guess I would be happy to write something up. It would be even nicer to be able to give a talk there. Unfortunately, even though I live and work right where the conference is happening, I expect to be out of town for the entire time the conference is on. Bummer. Dmharvey12:28, 28 February 2006 (UTC)Reply
Just noticed that its possible to submit a poster to wikimania, which does not require that we actually attend. We would need to act soon to get the poster accepted. --Salix alba09:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)Reply
In theory it would probably be possible. Try googling "mediawiki asciimath" for some attempts. There are two major hurdles to overcome:
getting mediawiki to serve XHTML correctly in such a way that browsers don't break. This is an issue for any attempt to get mediawiki outputting MathML, and indeed that's where quite a bit of our effort is sunk. Once we've done a decent job of this, it will become easier for others to add their own preferred flavour of MathML support.
Wikipedia itself currently has about 200,000 equations (including the largest 13 languages). It would be necessary to check if ASCIIMath (or whatever) could handle all those equations. ASCIIMath's page suggests that it only supports a small subset of LaTeX, so I'm guessing the answer is "no". Blahtex can currently handle all but about 400 of them.
Nothing fancy, of course. It's just for myself; I am not proposing to do anything controversial, but I thought you might be interested in seeing it. Is it OK if I do this? If so, then ...
I have the info text linking here to Meta, but would you instead prefer it link to wiki.blahtex.org or blahtex.org?
Would you prefer I use the other image without the flower, or no image at all?
Any suggestions for background colors, borders, etc.?
Latest comment: 18 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
Hello - Blahtex looks like a great project, which I think we may use. I do have a question, which I can't seem to find the answer to. We are using MediaWiki to develop a series of course modules for our introductory logic sequence, and as such, we use a math markup a lot. It is our intention to serve these pages to our students using MediaWiki. All our stduents will all browse anonymously. (Account creation is restricted.) Is there support for on the fly detection of MathML browser compability built into Blahtex? That is, can Blahtex determine if the browser supports MathML send it MathML if it does and a PNG if it doesn't? If so, this would be optimal for our needs. Thanks! --Kzollman20:21, 22 September 2006 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 16 years ago4 comments4 people in discussion
Any ideas when MathML will finally be deployed? (I.e., when will I be able enter equations in LaTeX, and see them appear on the page as MathML instead of ugly GIFs?) Thanks.
70.21.225.13707:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
Again, a year went by and nothing happened. Have we have to wait until British Telecom gets all its phones fixed? Which was told to happen shortly after hell freezes over.--141.20.52.24513:54, 4 April 2008 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 18 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
Would it be possible to create \unit or something similar to signify units in the expression and use mathML unit formatting? People use strange spaced and roman fonts to signify units, or put them outside the expression and write them with regular HTML. There's no obviously correct solution. — Omegatron18:57, 25 November 2006 (UTC)Reply
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Latest comment: 16 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
I see that Gilles Van Assche works on blahtexml and on its website there are sources available but the extension page just makes one sentence about his work and there are many broken links to blahtex.org (is anybody working on this site? I see only main page works and none of subpages does). Anyone knows what is situation with blahtex on the net and can make informations on extension page up to date? ;). Silmethule15:10, 26 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
I am trying to get current mediawiki working with current blahtex and it appears that infor here and under "embedding" topic is way outdated and while I have blahtex running I have no idea how to get texvc to produce mathml or get blahtex to be used to produce mathml (my wiki still is producing pngs.). It would be helpful, even if there were no current integration, if someone familiar with project updated these pages.
On another note, I do have asciimathml working with mediawiki by inserting reference in theme (see, http://EdTech.alaskapolicy.net) and appears to be pretty robust. However, asciimathml relies on fallback where browser can't manage mathml, which at present is mimetex, but can be set to google chart API, mathtran, and other URL based tex2png webapps. Net-buoy18:08, 12 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
