pythoncard-users Mailing List for PythonCard

I've been following the thread about Pythoncard 1.0 with great interest. 
 
As some on this list know, we use PythonCard in our book "Hello World! Computer Programming for Kids and Other Beginners". I thought PythonCard was a dead project, which was quite disappointing, as it is a great way to teach the basic concepts of GUIs. (The book uses Python to teach programming.) So it would be wonderful if Pythoncard lives on.
 
Our book uses Python 2.5. We provide installers for Windows, Mac, and Linux which install Python 2.5, as well as the other modules we use in the book - Pygame, Pythoncard (and their dependencies, NumPy and wxPython). 
 
Currently we are considering a second edition to update the book to Python 3. One of the things holding us back is lack of Python 3 support in PythonCard. I believe that wxPython has still not been ported over to Python 3. I'm hoping that happens before too long, and I'm also hoping that when wxPython is ported to Python 3, PythonCard will follow suit. 
 
 
 
Warren Sande

First of all, thanks to all who invested time into this wonderful
project and for now especially to John for pushing hard to keep it alive.
John, let me add to that, I am lurking on this list, checking the mail
every 2-3 weeks. I've followed your posts lately with great interest,
but to be honest, I was waiting for something released to install and
test. Now I have checked out the 1.0 and it seems it is not what I was
after:
- The checkout command on
http://code.google.com/p/pythoncard-1-0/source/checkout produces a
directory with a starting space, looking like:
" pythoncard-1-0 --username xx...@gm..." (note the leading space)
First of all I had quite some problems entering/renaming the directory
as my shell cmdline-completion was unable to deal with it.
When I managed to enter that directory I had no pythoncard but some
stuff that looks more like svn-internals.
I really do love pythoncard and I am willing to help with testing
wherever I can. Please John, do not stop your efforts because nobody
seems interested. I guarantee there are a lot of people that are, I bet
once the first downloadable .tgz hits the web you get dozens of
downloads daily!
Again, thanks for the time and work invested in the project. I look
unpatiently forward to your 1.0 release .
Cheers,
Christoph
John Henry wrote:
> Seems to have very little interest in this but if anybody wants to get a 
> hold of the current version of what I have, you should be able to get it 
> from the SVN depository using tortoiseSVN.
>
> Can someone at least try to download the whole thing and see if it works?
>
> On 5/1/2011 1:08 AM, John Henry wrote:
> 
>> Ran into some problem with Mercurial and I really don't have enough 
>> time to try to figure it out. I'm going to stay with SVN for now.
>>
>> I created a temporary home at http://code.google.com/p/pythoncard-1-0/
>>
>> Lots of work to do.
>>
>> On 4/30/2011 6:12 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> 
>>> John Henry wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I can look into the distributed source control system as suggested.
>>>>
>>>> Right now, Subversion is working and works pretty good. Pythoncard is
>>>> currently hosted on CVS but I can't get CVSNT to work properly. We
>>>> should migrate to better system than CVS anyway.
>>>> 
>>> For what it is worth, the two popular open source distributed revision
>>> control systems are git and Mercurial (hg). The developers of Python
>>> itself are now using Mercurial, so you might lean more towards
>>> Mercurial. I do.
>>>
>>> Some Mercurial resources:
>>>
>>> http://hginit.com/index.html
>>> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Tutorial
>>> http://hgbook.red-bean.com/
>>>
>>> For git, you can do your own googling :-P
>>>
>>> Source code hosting is available at (among others) Github, Bitbucket and
>>> Google Code.
>>>
>>> Github uses git (well duh *wink*) and is free for Open Source projects.
>>>
>>> https://github.com/
>>>
>>> Bitbucket uses Mercurial, and is free for small projects:
>>>
>>> https://bitbucket.org/
>>>
>>> and Google Code also offers free hosting and Mercurial:
>>>
>>> http://code.google.com/hosting/
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>
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Hi John,
You wrote "Seems to have very little interest in this"....
The lack of responses, activity in this list might not mean there would not
be interest.
At least for me the case is, I'll use the new things (you've implemented) in
PythonCard if I have a need for them (and they're easily
available/findable). It's certainly good to know they are there! But I
personally am too busy right now to start evaluating them just out of
curiosity.
I think there are two ways of making sure the interest exists, as much it
can, in addition to this mailing list:
1) The demo applications pythoncard has are excellent way to sell the tool,
if you have the energy, perhaps you could add your new stuff there too?
2) Documentation, as in component specs in:
http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/framework/components.html or/and as in an
article in 'getting started' chapter in
http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/documentation.html
You're doing a good Job John!
-Teuvo
2011年5月3日 John Henry <ec...@ya...>
> Seems to have very little interest in this but if anybody wants to get a
> hold of the current version of what I have, you should be able to get it
> from the SVN depository using tortoiseSVN.
>
> Can someone at least try to download the whole thing and see if it works?
>
> On 5/1/2011 1:08 AM, John Henry wrote:
> > Ran into some problem with Mercurial and I really don't have enough
> > time to try to figure it out. I'm going to stay with SVN for now.
> >
> > I created a temporary home at http://code.google.com/p/pythoncard-1-0/
> >
> > Lots of work to do.
> >
> > On 4/30/2011 6:12 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> >> John Henry wrote:
> >>> I can look into the distributed source control system as suggested.
> >>>
> >>> Right now, Subversion is working and works pretty good. Pythoncard is
> >>> currently hosted on CVS but I can't get CVSNT to work properly. We
> >>> should migrate to better system than CVS anyway.
> >>
> >> For what it is worth, the two popular open source distributed revision
> >> control systems are git and Mercurial (hg). The developers of Python
> >> itself are now using Mercurial, so you might lean more towards
> >> Mercurial. I do.
> >>
> >> Some Mercurial resources:
> >>
> >> http://hginit.com/index.html
> >> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Tutorial
> >> http://hgbook.red-bean.com/
> >>
> >> For git, you can do your own googling :-P
> >>
> >> Source code hosting is available at (among others) Github, Bitbucket and
> >> Google Code.
> >>
> >> Github uses git (well duh *wink*) and is free for Open Source projects.
> >>
> >> https://github.com/
> >>
> >> Bitbucket uses Mercurial, and is free for small projects:
> >>
> >> https://bitbucket.org/
> >>
> >> and Google Code also offers free hosting and Mercurial:
> >>
> >> http://code.google.com/hosting/
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
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I would say: yes! Give John Henry the necessary access to maintain
pythoncard. It would be nice to feel the project evolves.
I presume "+ve" is the same as "yes" ?
Regards,
Cristian
The offer still stands to give John Henry access to the SourceForge code.
>
> I did also previously offer a conversion to Subversion on SourceForge
> (which is only a couple of steps). That offer stands as well.
>
> Let me know in the +ve or the -ve
>
> Regards,
> Andy
> --
> From the desk of Andrew J Todd esq - http://www.halfcooked.com/
>
>
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> The most intuitive, comprehensive, and cost-effective network
> management toolset available today. Delivers lowest initial
> acquisition cost and overall TCO of any competing solution.
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/whatsupgold-sd
> _______________________________________________
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> Pyt...@li...
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>

On 4/05/11 4:31 AM, John Henry wrote:
> Seems to have very little interest in this but if anybody wants to get a
> hold of the current version of what I have, you should be able to get it
> from the SVN depository using tortoiseSVN.
>
> Can someone at least try to download the whole thing and see if it works?
>
> On 5/1/2011 1:08 AM, John Henry wrote:
>> Ran into some problem with Mercurial and I really don't have enough
>> time to try to figure it out. I'm going to stay with SVN for now.
>>
>> I created a temporary home at http://code.google.com/p/pythoncard-1-0/
>>
>> Lots of work to do.
>>
>> On 4/30/2011 6:12 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>>> John Henry wrote:
>>>> I can look into the distributed source control system as suggested.
>>>>
>>>> Right now, Subversion is working and works pretty good. Pythoncard is
>>>> currently hosted on CVS but I can't get CVSNT to work properly. We
>>>> should migrate to better system than CVS anyway.
>>>
>>> For what it is worth, the two popular open source distributed revision
>>> control systems are git and Mercurial (hg). The developers of Python
>>> itself are now using Mercurial, so you might lean more towards
>>> Mercurial. I do.
>>>
>>> Some Mercurial resources:
>>>
>>> http://hginit.com/index.html
>>> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Tutorial
>>> http://hgbook.red-bean.com/
>>>
>>> For git, you can do your own googling :-P
>>>
>>> Source code hosting is available at (among others) Github, Bitbucket and
>>> Google Code.
>>>
>>> Github uses git (well duh *wink*) and is free for Open Source projects.
>>>
>>> https://github.com/
>>>
>>> Bitbucket uses Mercurial, and is free for small projects:
>>>
>>> https://bitbucket.org/
>>>
>>> and Google Code also offers free hosting and Mercurial:
>>>
>>> http://code.google.com/hosting/
>>>
>>>
>>
>
The offer still stands to give John Henry access to the SourceForge code.
I did also previously offer a conversion to Subversion on SourceForge 
(which is only a couple of steps). That offer stands as well.
Let me know in the +ve or the -ve
Regards,
Andy
-- 
 From the desk of Andrew J Todd esq - http://www.halfcooked.com/

Seems to have very little interest in this but if anybody wants to get a 
hold of the current version of what I have, you should be able to get it 
from the SVN depository using tortoiseSVN.
Can someone at least try to download the whole thing and see if it works?
On 5/1/2011 1:08 AM, John Henry wrote:
> Ran into some problem with Mercurial and I really don't have enough 
> time to try to figure it out. I'm going to stay with SVN for now.
>
> I created a temporary home at http://code.google.com/p/pythoncard-1-0/
>
> Lots of work to do.
>
> On 4/30/2011 6:12 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> John Henry wrote:
>>> I can look into the distributed source control system as suggested.
>>>
>>> Right now, Subversion is working and works pretty good. Pythoncard is
>>> currently hosted on CVS but I can't get CVSNT to work properly. We
>>> should migrate to better system than CVS anyway.
>>
>> For what it is worth, the two popular open source distributed revision
>> control systems are git and Mercurial (hg). The developers of Python
>> itself are now using Mercurial, so you might lean more towards
>> Mercurial. I do.
>>
>> Some Mercurial resources:
>>
>> http://hginit.com/index.html
>> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Tutorial
>> http://hgbook.red-bean.com/
>>
>> For git, you can do your own googling :-P
>>
>> Source code hosting is available at (among others) Github, Bitbucket and
>> Google Code.
>>
>> Github uses git (well duh *wink*) and is free for Open Source projects.
>>
>> https://github.com/
>>
>> Bitbucket uses Mercurial, and is free for small projects:
>>
>> https://bitbucket.org/
>>
>> and Google Code also offers free hosting and Mercurial:
>>
>> http://code.google.com/hosting/
>>
>>
>

Surely if it's at SourceForge, that will let you create a mercurial
repo, no? Or Bazaar.
http://sourceforge.net/apps/wordpress/sourceforge/2009/03/11/bazaar-and-mercurial-scm-services-launched/
Note that if you're more comfortable with SVN you may find Bazaar more
comfortable as it's designed to feel more like SVN.
phil
On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 9:08 AM, John Henry <ec...@ya...> wrote:
> Ran into some problem with Mercurial and I really don't have enough time
> to try to figure it out. I'm going to stay with SVN for now.
>
> I created a temporary home at http://code.google.com/p/pythoncard-1-0/
>
> Lots of work to do.
>
> On 4/30/2011 6:12 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> John Henry wrote:
>>> I can look into the distributed source control system as suggested.
>>>
>>> Right now, Subversion is working and works pretty good. Pythoncard is
>>> currently hosted on CVS but I can't get CVSNT to work properly. We
>>> should migrate to better system than CVS anyway.
>>
>> For what it is worth, the two popular open source distributed revision
>> control systems are git and Mercurial (hg). The developers of Python
>> itself are now using Mercurial, so you might lean more towards
>> Mercurial. I do.
>>
>> Some Mercurial resources:
>>
>> http://hginit.com/index.html
>> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Tutorial
>> http://hgbook.red-bean.com/
>>
>> For git, you can do your own googling :-P
>>
>> Source code hosting is available at (among others) Github, Bitbucket and
>> Google Code.
>>
>> Github uses git (well duh *wink*) and is free for Open Source projects.
>>
>> https://github.com/
>>
>> Bitbucket uses Mercurial, and is free for small projects:
>>
>> https://bitbucket.org/
>>
>> and Google Code also offers free hosting and Mercurial:
>>
>> http://code.google.com/hosting/
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> WhatsUp Gold - Download Free Network Management Software
> The most intuitive, comprehensive, and cost-effective network
> management toolset available today. Delivers lowest initial
> acquisition cost and overall TCO of any competing solution.
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/whatsupgold-sd
> _______________________________________________
> Pythoncard-users mailing list
> Pyt...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pythoncard-users
>

Ran into some problem with Mercurial and I really don't have enough time 
to try to figure it out. I'm going to stay with SVN for now.
I created a temporary home at http://code.google.com/p/pythoncard-1-0/
Lots of work to do.
On 4/30/2011 6:12 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> John Henry wrote:
>> I can look into the distributed source control system as suggested.
>>
>> Right now, Subversion is working and works pretty good. Pythoncard is
>> currently hosted on CVS but I can't get CVSNT to work properly. We
>> should migrate to better system than CVS anyway.
>
> For what it is worth, the two popular open source distributed revision
> control systems are git and Mercurial (hg). The developers of Python
> itself are now using Mercurial, so you might lean more towards
> Mercurial. I do.
>
> Some Mercurial resources:
>
> http://hginit.com/index.html
> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Tutorial
> http://hgbook.red-bean.com/
>
> For git, you can do your own googling :-P
>
> Source code hosting is available at (among others) Github, Bitbucket and
> Google Code.
>
> Github uses git (well duh *wink*) and is free for Open Source projects.
>
> https://github.com/
>
> Bitbucket uses Mercurial, and is free for small projects:
>
> https://bitbucket.org/
>
> and Google Code also offers free hosting and Mercurial:
>
> http://code.google.com/hosting/
>
>

John Henry wrote:
> I can look into the distributed source control system as suggested.
> 
> Right now, Subversion is working and works pretty good. Pythoncard is 
> currently hosted on CVS but I can't get CVSNT to work properly. We 
> should migrate to better system than CVS anyway.
For what it is worth, the two popular open source distributed revision 
control systems are git and Mercurial (hg). The developers of Python 
itself are now using Mercurial, so you might lean more towards 
Mercurial. I do.
Some Mercurial resources:
http://hginit.com/index.html
http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Tutorial
http://hgbook.red-bean.com/
For git, you can do your own googling :-P
Source code hosting is available at (among others) Github, Bitbucket and 
Google Code.
Github uses git (well duh *wink*) and is free for Open Source projects.
https://github.com/
Bitbucket uses Mercurial, and is free for small projects:
https://bitbucket.org/
and Google Code also offers free hosting and Mercurial:
http://code.google.com/hosting/
-- 
Steven