On Wednesday 07 November 2007 10:08:01 am william ratcliff wrote: > And again, if MPL becomes "traitified", how will that effect users > that need to roll executables for distribution? We are considering changes that would require testing before we actually ma= de=20 a release that would effect users. > On Nov 7, 2007 9:39 AM, Gael Varoquaux <gae...@no...>=20 wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 08:25:51AM -0600, John Hunter wrote: > > > I am not wild on the idea of an "internal dependency". Since this is > > > the first step in providing traitified mpl properties, and users will > > > presumably want to be able to set event handlers on these properties, > > > etc, it seems best to me if the users are exposed to a proper > > > installation of enthought traits. > > > > I agree with that. This would clearly be a temporary solution waiting f= or > > better packaging of traits. > > > > > Is there a reason not to treat traits like we do dateutil and pytz: > > > check at runtime if it is installed and if not install it as > > > enthought.traits using Gael's tarball? > > > > This does not seem a terribly good solution. First of all, I assume you > > mean install time rather than run-time, as I can't see this happening at > > run-time for a question of permission. Package management is not such an > > easy task, as the endeavour of setup_tools has shown. Of course the > > solution for platforms with proper package managers, is to use this > > package manager, but when there isn't one, try to provide one, even a > > simple one, is a risky endeavour. If you are going to try to do this, I > > would try to do it through setuptools, maybe by including the relevant > > code from setuptools in MPL. > > > > Then there is the problem of compiling. Traits has a bit of compiled > > code, and not everybody has a compiler installed. So you have to provide > > binary packages for the major platforms. This also points towards eggs, > > as eggs are binary packages (eggs are nothing more than a zipped python > > package), and we are already building binary eggs for traits and Co. > > > > > This gets enthought.traits (preferably with traits.ui included) on > > > more platforms. > > > > Yes, the big and important work is to get traits and traitsUI packaged > > natively on more platforms. Ondrej Certik has started debian packages, > > but he does not have much time to work on them, and they are progressing > > slowly. Some people have offered packaging for Fedora, but the problem = is > > the same. If you know people who are willing to do some packaging work, > > we need some help :->. > > > > > We are simply trying to keep the barrier of installation as low as > > > possible for the typical mpl user. > > > > This is very important, indeed. > > > > Can you tell us a bit more what you plan to use traits for exactly (what > > are the usecases) ? It might help me understand how to find a beautiful > > solution to this chicken and eggs problem. > > > > Ga=EBl > > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= =2D- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Matplotlib-devel mailing list > > Mat...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-devel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Matplotlib-devel mailing list > Mat...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-devel =2D-=20 Darren S. Dale, Ph.D. Staff Scientist Cornell High Energy Synchrotron Source Cornell University 275 Wilson Lab Rt. 366 & Pine Tree Road Ithaca, NY 14853 dar...@co... office: (607) 255-3819 fax: (607) 255-9001 http://www.chess.cornell.edu