[Python-Dev] xturtle and 3.0

Sun Mar 16 16:32:17 CET 2008

I'm changing the subject to keep this separate from the project
management tools discussion.
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Gregor Lingl <gregor.lingl at aon.at> wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>> with this posting I refer to a paragraph in PEP 361, which says:
>> """Each non-trivial feature listed here that is not a PEP must be discussed on python-dev. Other enhancements include:
>> - ...
> - turtle.py replacement or enhancements
> """
>> Some time ago I had offered my xturtle.py as a replacement of or
> supplement to turtle.py. The discussion that followed is here:
>> http://www.python.org/dev/summary/2006-06-16_2006年06月30日/
>> At Europython 2006 I gave a talk on xturtle and there and since then I
> had quite positive feedback including encouragement to offer it again to
> include it in the python standard distribution by quite a few people
> including Guido van Rossum.
>> During the last few weeks I did some enhancements to xturtle and put the
> current version on the xturtle website for download in order to get same
> feedback about the API as well as possible bug reports. This version
> still needs some code polishing.
>> http://www.rg16.at/~python/xturtle/download.html
>> So I'm interested to know if this is still an issue for you. If so there
> should be initiated some procedure to decide that.

I think that for 3.0, replacing turtle with xturtle is great, *IF*
xturtle doesn't add any additional dependencies *AND* it works well on
Mac OSX, Linux and Windows.
> If this decision were negative, things were done (- and I'd continue to
> develop xturtle elsewhere.)
>> If the decision were positive, I'd be able to prepare two equivalent
> versions for Python2.6 and Python3000 within two or three weeks. (The
> port to Python3000 is nearly ready.) These could include say 85% of the
> documentation, albeit still not in the correct format.

That sounds cool. In 2.6 I'm reluctant to replace the existing turtle
module; xturtle can be added as xturtle.
> I think these had to be examined my some reviewer(s) and also a
> discussion about features to include or not include would be useful. I'd
> like to intensivly take part in this discussion and development.
>> After a possible decision to include xturtle into Python, which
> certainly should take place before the first beta release, there would
> be enough time to polish the documentation and to fix bugs. For their
> discovery it would certainly be an advantage to put it in some
> prerelease as early as possible.
>> Of course I know that xturtle is only a side issue in the current
> development efforts. Unfortunately I'm not familiar with the procedures
> needed to get a new module into Python, so I kindly ask you for your
> advice how to proceed, at the same time offering my cooperation.

I think that for a library module like this, an email like you've sent
is just fine. Maybe Brett has a suggestion on whether it would remain
a toplevel module or could be placed in some umbrella package (is
Tkinter being moved around?).
-- 
--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)