Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

On Thursday, October 26, 2017, Paul Moore wrote:> On 26 October 2017 at 10:24, Victor Stinner> wrote:>> We are using Mailman 3 for the new buildbot-status mailing list and it>> works well:>>>> https://mail.python.org/mm3/archives/list/[email protected]/>>>> I prefer to rea

Re: [Python-Dev] iso8601 parsing

On Thursday, October 26, 2017, Chris Barker wrote: > On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 7:37 PM, Wes Turner > wrote: > >> ISO 8601 support offsets, but not time zones -- presumably the __str__ >>> supports the full datetime tzinfo somehow. Which may be why .isoformat() >>&g

Re: [Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

On Thursday, October 26, 2017, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/26/2017 07:28 AM, Wes Turner wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday, October 26, 2017, Paul Moore > wrote: > > > > On 26 October 2017 at 10:24, Victor Stinner > > > wrote: > > &

[Python-Dev] OrderedDict(kwargs) optimization?

On Wednesday, November 8, 2017, Guido van Rossum wrote:> It seems there must be at least two threads for each topic worth> discussing at all. Therefore I feel compelled to point to> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2017-November/150381.html,> where I state my own conclusion about

Re: [Python-Dev] OrderedDict(kwargs) optimization?

Got it. Thanks! On Wednesday, November 8, 2017, INADA Naoki wrote:>> That'd be great for preserving kwargs' order after a pop() or a del?>> To clarify, order is preserved after pop in Python 3.6 (and maybe 3.7).>> There is discussion about breaking it to optimize for limited use cases,> b

Re: [Python-Dev] Python possible vulnerabilities in concurrency

CWE (Common Weakness Enumeration) has numbers (and URLs) and a graph model, and code examples, and mitigations for bugs, vulnerabilities, faults, design flaws, weaknesses. https://cwe.mitre.org/ Research Concepts https://cwe.mitre.org/data/definitions/1000.html Development Concepts https://cwe.mi

Re: [Python-Dev] Third and hopefully final post: PEP 557, Data Classes

Could these be things in types? types.ClassType types.InstanceType types.DataClass types.DataClassInstanceType (?) I sent a PR with typo fixes and ``.. code:: python`` directives so that syntax highlighting works (at least on GitHub). https://github.com/python/peps/blob/master/pep-0557.rst htt

Re: [Python-Dev] Third and hopefully final post: PEP 557, Data Classes

ghting, \r, character set, LEDs,) On Thursday, November 30, 2017, Wes Turner wrote: > Could these be things in types? > > types.ClassType > types.InstanceType > > types.DataClass > types.DataClassInstanceType (?) > > I sent a PR with typo fixes and ``.. code:: python`` dire

[Python-Dev] PEPs: ``.. code:: python`` or ``::`` (syntax highlighting)

In ReStructuredText, this gets syntax highlighted because of the code directive [1][2][3]: .. code:: python import this def func(*args, **kwargs): pass This also gets syntax highlighted as python[3]: .. code:: python import this def func(*args, **kwargs): pass This d

Re: [Python-Dev] Third and hopefully final post: PEP 557, Data Classes

On Thursday, November 30, 2017, Wes Turner wrote: > Could these be things in types? > > types.ClassType > types.InstanceType > > types.DataClass > types.DataClassInstanceType (?) > types.DataClass(types.ClassType) types.DataClassInstanceType(types.InstanceType) Would be

Re: [Python-Dev] PEPs: ``.. code:: python`` or ``::`` (syntax highlighting)

Pending a transition of PEPs to ReadTheDocs (with HTTPS on a custom domain? and redirects?) (is there a gh issue for this task?), for the pythondotorg project is it as simple as `pip install pygments` and rebuilding each .rst with docutils with pygments installed? On Saturday, December 2, 2017, Ma

Re: [Python-Dev] PEPs: ``.. code:: python`` or ``::`` (syntax highlighting)

: > On 3 December 2017 at 12:32, Wes Turner > wrote: > > Pending a transition of PEPs to ReadTheDocs (with HTTPS on a custom > domain? > > and redirects?) (is there a gh issue for this task?), > > See https://github.com/python/peps/projects/1 and > https://github.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.7: Require OpenSSL >=1.0.2 / LibreSSL >= 2.5.3

FWIW, anaconda and conda-forge currently have 1.0.2 X https://anaconda.org/anaconda/openssl https://anaconda.org/conda-forge/openssl On Sunday, January 14, 2018, Ned Deily wrote:> On Jan 14, 2018, at 08:39, Christian Heimes wrote:>> On 2018年01月14日 09:24, Matt Billenstein wrote:>>> Correct

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.7: Require OpenSSL >=1.0.2 / LibreSSL >= 2.5.3

On Tuesday, January 16, 2018, Steve Dower wrote:> From my perspective, we can’t keep an OpenSSL-like API and use Windows> platform libraries (we *could* do a requests-like API easily enough, but> even urllib3 is painfully low-level).>> Support for Windows SChannel and Apple SecureTransport i

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.7: Require OpenSSL >=1.0.2 / LibreSSL >= 2.5.3

On Tuesday, January 16, 2018, Christian Heimes wrote: > On 2018年01月16日 12:28, Wes Turner wrote: > > > > > > On Tuesday, January 16, 2018, Steve Dower > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > From my perspective, we can’t keep an Open

Re: [Python-Dev] LibreSSL support

Is there a build flag or a ./configure-time autodetection that would allow for supporting LibreSSL while they port X509_VERIFY_PARAM_set1_host? On Thursday, January 18, 2018, Christian Heimes wrote:> On 2018年01月16日 21:17, Christian Heimes wrote:>> FYI, master on Travis CI now builds and uses O

Re: [Python-Dev] LibreSSL support

LibreSSL is not a pressing need for me; but fallback to the existing insecure check if LibreSSL is present shouldn't be too difficult? On Thursday, January 18, 2018, Christian Heimes wrote: > On 2018年01月18日 19:42, Wes Turner wrote: > > Is there a build flag or a ./configure-time

Re: [Python-Dev] How is the GitHub workflow working for people?

On Friday, February 23, 2018, Nick Coghlan wrote:> On 23 February 2018 at 03:09, Eric Snow > wrote:>> So, coupled with slow CI, linting failures were>> particularly onerous. We all got in the habit of locally running the>> linter frequently. IIRC, I even set up VIM to run the linter whe

Re: [Python-Dev] How is the GitHub workflow working for people?

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, Nick Coghlan wrote:> On 22 February 2018 at 08:19, Barry Warsaw wrote:>> As for the bug tracker, I still do like Roundup, and we have a huge> investment in it, not just in resources expended to make it rock, but also> in all the history in it and everything

Re: [Python-Dev] Move ensurepip blobs to external place

AFAIU, the objectives (with no particular ranking) are: - minimize git clone time and bandwidth - include latest pip with every python install - run the full test suite with CI for every PR (buildbot) - the full test suite requires pip - run the test suite locally when developing a PR - minimize

Re: [Python-Dev] ssl module and LibreSSL CVE-2018-8970

+1. Thanks! Which tests? On Wednesday, April 4, 2018, Christian Heimes wrote:> Hi,>> I like to share the story of a critical security bug with you. Contrary> to other issues in TLS/SSL, it's a story with happy ending. Nobody was> harmed. The bug was fixed before it affected the general pop

Re: [Python-Dev] Introducing python.zulipchat.com

On Sunday, April 22, 2018, Paul Moore wrote:> On 22 April 2018 at 15:39, Nick Coghlan wrote:>> On 22 April 2018 at 21:47, Paul Moore wrote:>>> On 22 April 2018 at 00:05, Brett Cannon wrote:>>>> The Zulip project maintainers are active on our instance so after you> join>>>> go to the

Re: [Python-Dev] (name := expression) doesn't fit the narrative of PEP 20

On Wednesday, April 25, 2018, Łukasz Langa wrote:>> On 25 Apr, 2018, at 5:20 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Yury Selivanov> wrote:>> Just yesterday this snippet was used on python-dev to show how great the> new syntax is:>> my_func(arg, buffer=(

Re: [Python-Dev] (name := expression) doesn't fit the narrative of PEP 20

So, the style guidelines for this new feature -- and also ternary expressions and comprehension -- would need to mention that: - debuggers have no idea what to do with all of this on one line - left-to-right doesn't apply to comprehensions results = [(x, y, x/y) for x in input_data if (y := f(x

Re: [Python-Dev] (Looking for) A Retrospective on the Move to Python 3

On Thursday, April 26, 2018, Eric Snow wrote:> In pondering our approach to future Python major releases, I found> myself considering the experience we've had with Python 3. The whole> Py3k effort predates my involvement in the community so I missed a> bunch of context about the motivations,

Re: [Python-Dev] (name := expression) doesn't fit the narrative of PEP 20

On Friday, April 27, 2018, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 8:18 PM, Wes Turner wrote: > > IDK, I could just be resistant to change, but this seems like something > that > > will decrease readability -- and slow down code review -- without any > real >

Re: [Python-Dev] (name := expression) doesn't fit the narrative of PEP 20

On Friday, April 27, 2018, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 6:06 AM, Wes Turner wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, April 27, 2018, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 8:18 PM, Wes Turner > wrote: > >> > ID

Re: [Python-Dev] (name := expression) doesn't fit the narrative of PEP 20

On Friday, April 27, 2018, Tim Peters wrote:> [Chris Angelico ]>> ...>> I don't understand why people bring up all these arguments that have>> absolutely nothing to do with the proposal at hand. None of this has>> in any way changed.>> That's easy: any time there's a long thread to wh

Re: [Python-Dev] (name := expression) doesn't fit the narrative of PEP 20

de.py On Friday, April 27, 2018, Tim Peters wrote: > Wes, sorry, but I really don't follow what you're saying. For example, > > [Wes Turner ] > > Do not do this: > > > > x = 2 > > if (x == 3) or (x := 3): > >print(x) > > > &g

Re: [Python-Dev] Every Release Can Be a Mini "Python 4000", Within Reason (was (name := expression) doesn't fit the narrative of PEP 20)

On Sunday, April 29, 2018, Eitan Adler wrote:> On 29 April 2018 at 01:34, Jeff Allen wrote:>> On 27/04/2018 08:38, Greg Ewing wrote:>>> I speculate this all goes back to some pre-iteration version of FORmula>> TRANslation, where to its inventors '=' was definition and these really> were

Re: [Python-Dev] Drop/deprecate Tkinter?

On Thursday, May 3, 2018, Steven D'Aprano wrote:> On Thu, May 03, 2018 at 07:39:05AM +0200, Matěj Cepl wrote:>>> I have my doubts about IDLE though. I know, the same>> argument applies, but really, does anybody use IDLE for>> development for long time>> Yes, tons of beginners use it. On

Re: [Python-Dev] (Looking for) A Retrospective on the Move to Python 3

gt; long time. https://github.com/python/cpython/blame/master/Lib/__future__.py > > -- > ~Ethan~ > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listi

Re: [Python-Dev] The history of PyXML

_ > Python-Dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/wes. > turner%40gmail.com > ___

Re: [Python-Dev] Automated testing of patches from bugs.python.org

Cool! Thanks! BuildBot integration? * http://docs.buildbot.net/latest/full.html#source-stamps * http://docs.buildbot.net/latest/full.html#enabling-the-irc-bot * http://docs.buildbot.net/latest/full.html#choosing-a-change-source https://github.com/audreyr/cookiecutter-pypackage (requirements.txt,

Re: [Python-Dev] Automated testing of patches from bugs.python.org

http://docs.buildbot.net/latest/search.html?q=docker ... Here's a BuildBot Dockerfile: http://docs.buildbot.net/latest/manual/cfg-buildslaves-docker.html#image-creation On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Wes Turner wrote: > Cool! Thanks! > > BuildBot integration? > > * http

Re: [Python-Dev] Automated testing of patches from bugs.python.org

Here's a GerritChangeSource for BuildBot events: http://docs.buildbot.net/latest/full.html#chsrc-GerritChangeSource Great idea, thanks again! On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Wes Turner wrote: > http://docs.buildbot.net/latest/search.html?q=docker ... > > Here's a BuildBot

Re: [Python-Dev] Single-file Python executables (was: Computed Goto dispatch for Python 2)

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Paul Moore wrote:> On 28 May 2015 at 16:58, Barry Warsaw wrote:>> On May 28, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Donald Stufft wrote:>>>>>You don’t need a "fully functioning Python" for a single file binary, you>>>only need enough to actually run your application. For e

Re: [Python-Dev] About Python Developer Testsuites

On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Arsalan Javeed (Student) < [email protected]> wrote:> Dear Concerned,>> I am using python v.2.7.1 for my research work in software testing. I have> already downloaded the source codes and found the built-in testsuites for> running on the build. However,

Re: [Python-Dev] About Python Developer Testsuites

... [Python-Dev] Automated testing of patches from bugs.python.org https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/dev-python/CQA4YAItD74 On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:32 AM, Wes Turner wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Arsalan Javeed (Student) < > [email protected]>

Re: [Python-Dev] How do we tell if we're helping or hindering the core development process?

On Jul 28, 2015 10:41 PM, "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote:>> Ben Finney writes:>>> I've made a clear distinction between the need to *be able to*>> justify a change, versus arbitrary demands to do so by arbitrary>> members.>>>> The latter is what you're arguing against, and of course

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP-498: Literal String Formatting

On Aug 9, 2015 8:14 PM, "David Mertz" wrote:>> On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Eric V. Smith wrote:>>>> I think it has to do with the nature of the programs that people write.>> I write software for internal use in a large company. In the last 13>> years there, I've written literally hundr

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP-498: Literal String Formatting

On Aug 10, 2015 4:52 PM, "Nathaniel Smith" wrote:>> On Aug 10, 2015 11:33 AM, "Barry Warsaw" wrote:>>>> On Aug 11, 2015, at 03:26 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:>>>>>I think I would be happy with f-strings, or perhaps i-strings if we use>>>Nick's ideas about internationalisation, and lim

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP-498: Literal String Formatting

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 1:52 PM, David Mertz wrote:> I know. I elided including the nonexistent `nonlocals()` in there. But it> *should* be `lngb()`. Or call it scope(). :-)> On Aug 10, 2015 10:09 AM, "Steven D'Aprano" wrote:>>> On Sun, Aug 09, 2015 at 06:14:18PM -0700, David Mertz wrote:

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP-498: Literal String Formatting

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Carl Meyer wrote:> On 08/10/2015 02:49 PM, Eric V. Smith wrote:>> On 08/10/2015 02:44 PM, Yury Selivanov wrote:>>>>>>>>> On 2015年08月10日 2:37 PM, Eric V. Smith wrote:> Besides, any expression you have to calculate can go in a local that> will ge

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP-498: Literal String Formatting

On Aug 11, 2015 10:10 AM, "Alexander Walters" wrote:>> This may seam like a simplistic solution to i18n, but why not just add a method to string objects (assuming we implement f-strings) that just returns the original, unprocessed string. If the string was not an f-string, it just returns self.

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP-498: Literal String Formatting

On Aug 11, 2015 10:19 AM, "Wes Turner" wrote: > > > On Aug 11, 2015 10:10 AM, "Alexander Walters" wrote: > > > > This may seam like a simplistic solution to i18n, but why not just add a method to string objects (assuming we implement f-strings) that just

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP-498: Literal String Formatting

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Alexander Walters wrote: > On 8/11/2015 11:28, Wes Turner wrote: > > > On Aug 11, 2015 10:19 AM, "Wes Turner" wrote: > > - [ ] review all string interpolation (for "injection") > * [ ] review every '%' >

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP-498: Literal String Formatting

On Aug 17, 2015 2:23 PM, "Nikolaus Rath" wrote:>> On Aug 16 2015, Paul Moore wrote:>> 2. By far and away the most common use for me would be things like>> print(f"Iteration {n}: Took {end-start) seconds").>> I believe an even more common use willl be>> print(f"Iteration {n+1}: Took {end

Re: [Python-Dev] Request for pronouncement on PEP 493 (HTTPS verification backport guidance)

1. Does this affect easy_install? 2. If/because this affects easy_install, should the guidance / suggested package installation tool be [pip]; because pip install_requires backports.ssl_match_hostname https://pypi.python.org/pypi/backports.ssl_match_hostname On Nov 10, 2015 6:48 PM, "Nick Coghla

Re: [Python-Dev] Request for pronouncement on PEP 493 (HTTPS verification backport guidance)

... Just had this discussion in regards to easy_install, Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, and the ReadTheDocs Docker images (as well as: ~why should I have to wget/curl get-pip.py) https://github.com/rtfd/readthedocs-docker-images/pull/3 On Nov 23, 2015 2:47 PM, "Wes Turner" wrote: > 1. Doe

Re: [Python-Dev] Request for pronouncement on PEP 493 (HTTPS verification backport guidance)

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 24 November 2015 at 06:47, Wes Turner wrote: > > 1. Does this affect easy_install? > > easy_install has validated certificates since distribute was merged > back into the project as part of setuptools 0.7 [1], and asid

Re: [Python-Dev] Is there a reference manual for Python bytecode?

numba * http://numba.pydata.org/numba-doc/0.16.0/modules/numba.html#module-numba.bytecode * https://github.com/numba/numba/blob/master/numba/bytecode.py pypy * http://doc.pypy.org/en/latest/interpreter.html * http://aosabook.org/en/pypy.html ... http://compilers.pydata.org/ #Bytecode Utilities

Re: [Python-Dev] When should pathlib stop being provisional?

On Apr 6, 2016 1:26 AM, "Chris Angelico" wrote:>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:>> Chris Angelico writes:>>>>> Outside of deliberate tests, we don't create files on our disks>>> whose names are strings of random bytes;>>>> Wishful thinking. First, na

Re: [Python-Dev] When should pathlib stop being provisional?

* +1 for __path__, __fspath__ (though I don't know what each does) * why not Text(basestring / bytestring) and pathlib.Path(Text)? * are there examples of cases where this cannot be? * if not, +1 for subclassing str/Text * where are the examples of method collisions between the s

Re: [Python-Dev] When should pathlib stop being provisional?

On Apr 6, 2016 12:47 PM, "Brett Cannon" wrote: > > > > On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 at 10:41 Wes Turner wrote: >> >> * +1 for __path__, __fspath__ >> (though I don't know what each does) > > > Returns a string representing a file system path. Why

Re: [Python-Dev] Defining a path protocol

On Apr 6, 2016 6:31 PM, "Brett Cannon" wrote:>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 at 16:25 Nathaniel Smith wrote:>>>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Brett Cannon wrote:>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 at 15:22 Paul Moore wrote:>>>>>>>> So I think we need a builtin.>>>>>>>>> Well, the ugli

Re: [Python-Dev] Defining a path protocol

My mistake. On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: > On 04/06/2016 07:24 PM, Wes Turner wrote: > >> On Apr 6, 2016 6:31 PM, "Brett Cannon" wrote: >> > > Which suggests perhaps we should have pathlib.fspath() instead of a >>> built-in. &g

Re: [Python-Dev] Challenge: Please break this! (a.k.a restricted mode revisited)

On Apr 10, 2016 11:51 AM, "Jon Ribbens" wrote:>> On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 02:51:23PM +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote:>> On 9 April 2016 at 22:43, Victor Stinner wrote:>>> See pysandbox test suite for a lot of ways to escape a sandbox. CPython has>>> a list of know code to crash CPython (I don'

Re: [Python-Dev] Challenge: Please break this! (a.k.a restricted mode revisited)

On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 10:50 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 01:09:19PM +1000, Steven D'Aprano [email protected]> wrote:>> On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 08:12:30PM -0400, Jonathan Goble wrote:>>> On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Oscar Benjamin>>> wrote:>>>> I have