Re: [Python-Dev] stat module in C -- what to do with stat.py?
On 20Jun2013 08:35, Benjamin Peterson wrote: | 2013年6月20日 Charles-François Natali : |> 2013年6月20日 Thomas Wouters : |>> If the .py file is going to be wrong or incomplete, why would we want to |>> keep it -- or use it as fallback -- at all? If we're dead set on having a |>> .py file instead of re
Re: [Python-Dev] stat module in C -- what to do with stat.py?
Gustavo Carneiro writes: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> -1 Reading the Python source code is a very good way for beginner >> programmers to learn about things like this. > On the other hand, it is counter-productive to learn about code > that is conceptually _
Re: [Python-Dev] stat module in C -- what to do with stat.py?
On 21Jun2013 21:39, Nick Coghlan wrote: | On 21 June 2013 17:25, Victor Stinner wrote: |> How do you plan to handle the following case in Python? |> |> "Looking in more detail: for the S_IFMT flags, OSX/Darwin/FreeBSD defines |> 0xe000 as S_IFWHT (whiteout), but Solaris defines it as |> S_IF
Re: [Python-Dev] stat module in C -- what to do with stat.py?
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:> On 21/06/13 01:35, Benjamin Peterson wrote:>>> 2013年6月20日 Charles-François Natali :>>>>> 2013年6月20日 Thomas Wouters :>>> If the .py file is going to be wrong or incomplete, why would we want to keep it -- or use it as fallback -
Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 445 delegate
Hi, 2013年6月21日 Antoine Pitrou :> I've been appointed PEP 445 delegate by Nick and Guido. I would like to> know if there are still pending changes to the PEP. Cool. Hum, there is maybe something. In my pytracemalloc project, I added another API to track usage of free lists: PyAPI_FUNC(int) _PyF
Re: [Python-Dev] stat module in C -- what to do with stat.py?
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:> So why not just replace the *broken* parts of stat.py and keep the> rest of it? In some ways this sounds like yet another use case for what amounts to properties on modules. The sketchy contants that are causing concern could raise NotImple
Re: [Python-Dev] stat module in C -- what to do with stat.py?
On 21/06/13 01:35, Benjamin Peterson wrote: 2013年6月20日 Charles-François Natali : 2013年6月20日 Thomas Wouters : If the .py file is going to be wrong or incomplete, why would we want to keep it -- or use it as fallback -- at all? If we're dead set on having a .py file instead of requiring it to be pa
Re: [Python-Dev] stat module in C -- what to do with stat.py?
On 22/06/13 01:29, Nick Coghlan wrote: Basically, I want to hear from the Jython, PyPy and IronPython devs that they're OK with us deleting Lib/stat.py. Hearing other CPython devs say they're fine with it doesn't mean anything, since we're not the ones that will have to do additional work as a re
Re: [Python-Dev] [python 2.7] a question about exporting a new method to socket object
Hi Guido : Thanks a lot. That helped. I will try StackOverflow next time. cheers, ani On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 8:07 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:> Technically this list isn't the right place, but you probably are> bitten by the duplication of functionality in Lib/socket.py. There's a> list
[Python-Dev] PEP 445 delegate
Hello, I've been appointed PEP 445 delegate by Nick and Guido. I would like to know if there are still pending changes to the PEP. If not, I expect to give it a review in the coming days or weeks, and then make a final pronouncement (which will probably be positive anyway). Regards Antoine. _
Re: [Python-Dev] stat module in C -- what to do with stat.py?
Am 21.06.2013 17:47, schrieb Benjamin Peterson:> > Kill it. I would argue having incorrect constants makes the> implementation incompatible with CPython anyway. This not that much> work (as long as there are tests that the constants exist at least) to> emulate.> My patch adds extensive test
Re: [Python-Dev] stat module in C -- what to do with stat.py?
On 6/21/2013 7:45 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Le 2013年6月21日 21:39:10 +1000, Nick Coghlan a écrit : I think it's OK to expose additional platform specific features in the C version, and have them fail cleanly with the pure Python version (rather than silently giving the wrong answer). PE
[Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues
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Re: [Python-Dev] stat module in C -- what to do with stat.py?
2013年6月21日 Nick Coghlan :> Basically, I want to hear from the Jython, PyPy and IronPython devs> that they're OK with us deleting Lib/stat.py. Hearing other CPython> devs say they're fine with it doesn't mean anything, since we're not> the ones that will have to do additional work as a result.
Re: [Python-Dev] stat module in C -- what to do with stat.py?
Le 2013年6月22日 01:29:40 +1000, Nick Coghlan a écrit :> On 21 June 2013 21:45, Antoine Pitrou wrote:>> Le 2013年6月21日 21:39:10 +1000,>> Nick Coghlan a écrit :>>> What's not OK is for>>> the standard library to regress for other implementations just>>> because we added a C imp
Re: [Python-Dev] stat module in C -- what to do with stat.py?
On 21 June 2013 21:45, Antoine Pitrou wrote:> Le 2013年6月21日 21:39:10 +1000,> Nick Coghlan a écrit :>> What's not OK is for>> the standard library to regress for other implementations just because>> we added a C implementation for the benefit of CPython. That's exactly>> the kind of th
Re: [Python-Dev] [python 2.7] a question about exporting a new method to socket object
Hi Ani, just a simple question: Are you sure, that you imported the modified socket module and not the original module from the distribution? HTH, Gerald Am 21.06.2013 um 07:18 schrieb Ani Sinha :> Hi python devs :> > As a part of exploring an idea, I am trying to add a new method to the
Re: [Python-Dev] [python 2.7] a question about exporting a new method to socket object
Technically this list isn't the right place, but you probably are bitten by the duplication of functionality in Lib/socket.py. There's a list of methods at the top of that file, _socketmethods. But you really shouldn't be asking here -- this list is for changes to Python, not using or hacking it.
[Python-Dev] [python 2.7] a question about exporting a new method to socket object
Hi python devs : As a part of exploring an idea, I am trying to add a new method to the python socket object. Here's what I have been trying to do (the patch may be whitespace damaged so please bear with me) : Index: Python-2.7/Modules/socketmodule.c =
Re: [Python-Dev] stat module in C -- what to do with stat.py?
On 6/21/2013 7:39 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:> On 21 June 2013 17:25, Victor Stinner wrote:>> 2013年6月21日 Nick Coghlan :>>> Because practicality beats purity. This "wrong" Python code has been>>> good enough for all Python version up until 3.4, it makes sense to>>> keep it as a fallback instead of
Re: [Python-Dev] stat module in C -- what to do with stat.py?
Am 21.06.2013 13:45, schrieb Antoine Pitrou:> For me, PEP 399 should not be considered a requirement but a guideline.> stat.py is algorithmically trivial and I don't think it saves much work> for authors of third-party Python implementations. The module's content is rather boring. It's just a b
Re: [Python-Dev] stat module in C -- what to do with stat.py?
Le 2013年6月21日 21:39:10 +1000, Nick Coghlan a écrit :> On 21 June 2013 17:25, Victor Stinner > wrote:>> 2013年6月21日 Nick Coghlan :>>> Because practicality beats purity. This "wrong" Python code has>>> been good enough for all Python version up until 3.4, it makes>>> sense to keep it
Re: [Python-Dev] stat module in C -- what to do with stat.py?
On 21 June 2013 17:25, Victor Stinner wrote:> 2013年6月21日 Nick Coghlan :>> Because practicality beats purity. This "wrong" Python code has been>> good enough for all Python version up until 3.4, it makes sense to>> keep it as a fallback instead of throwing it away.>> How do you plan to handle
Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 409 and the stdlib
On 05/21/2013 10:36 AM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: 21.05.13 10:17, Hrvoje Niksic написав(ла): On 05/20/2013 05:15 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: 1) Do nothing and be happy I use 'raise ... from None' in my own libraries 2) Change the wording of 'During handling of the above exception, another exceptio
Re: [Python-Dev] stat module in C -- what to do with stat.py?
2013年6月21日 Nick Coghlan :> Because practicality beats purity. This "wrong" Python code has been> good enough for all Python version up until 3.4, it makes sense to> keep it as a fallback instead of throwing it away. How do you plan to handle the following case in Python? "Looking in more detail
Re: [Python-Dev] stat module in C -- what to do with stat.py?
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:> On 21 June 2013 01:04, Thomas Wouters wrote:>> If the .py file is going to be wrong or incomplete, why would we want to>> keep it -- or use it as fallback -- at all? If we're dead set on having a>> .py file instead of requiring it to be p