On 2009年10月21日 18:38:26 -0700, Brett Cannon <[email protected]> wrote: > But that assumes you can get your tool into the stdlib.
No I'm not assuming that I can. I am actually assuming that I cannot.. So lets move forward.. > It would have been > better to phrase the question as "is there interest in having a package > manager tool included with Python" rather than ask us out of the blue what > GUI you should use. ok - but I think I know the answer to that.. you answer it next. > David, you are making a huge leap here thinking that we even want a package > manager in the stdlib. Well - who is 'we'? If it's python-dev people I can accept and respect that. If it's regular developers out there in developer land, I'm not so sure about your assertion. I'd even politely have to disagree from my experience. > You did not ask about menu shortcuts but whether a > package manager should be written using Tk or a web front-end. I was thinking about the issue on the fly... Menu shortcuts that link off to a a standard community web page would be an excellent compromise - in the case where some tool could not be added. That would be a tremendous improvement for windows users over what they are given at the moment. > Then you > start discussing about wanting to add some UI to package management by > default on Windows or add some tool that sounds like what the EU is going > to > have MS stick in front of users to get new user by browsers. This extends > beyond adding some shortcut the Windows installer adds to someone's > machine. That's going further than what I'm saying.. > I realize you are trying to help, David, but you are going in the wrong > direction here and pushing rather hard. On the counter side, others are pushing rather hard for 0 improvement for the windows platform for the user experience. While everything else on windows rushes ahead.. My direction is improving the developer experience for windows users. I can't do compiler writing. I'm not clever enough. > At the language summit we discussed > opening up some APIs in distutils about making it easier for people to > write > package management tools, but we don't have a burning desire to get into > the > tool business. ok - but nothing happened there... I'm not in the tools business either. I'm not doing it for money but that shouldn't be the point. > We make a language here. Distutils exists as a bootstrap > mechanism for the package story and for our own building needs of the > stdlib. I accept that it's a tool for building stdlib. No debate. > But I doubt I am the only core developer who has no interest to be > in charge of a package management tool when there already exists several > good ones out there that people seem to find on their own without issue. umm.. I disagree with the 'without issue' statement. I'm sure if I tralled the mailing lists I could find more than one.. Enough from me for now. Thanks Brett. David _______________________________________________ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com