[Python-Dev] Re: Moving to Discourse

2022年9月23日 05:15:42 -0700

Hello,
I'm afraid you misundertood my message. I'm not discussing the choice of
Discourse as a communication medium (which would be futile after the
decision has been made), just the thematic perimeter that would make up
an equivalent of Python-dev (for those hundreds of us who happened to
like it).
Le 22/09/2022 à 19:58, Brett Cannon a écrit :
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 12:41 AM Baptiste Carvello
> <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> Le 21/09/2022 à 13:14, Petr Viktorin a écrit :
> > But I don't think the goal is to make sure all people using the mailing
> > list get the same set of posts. Different people have different 
> interests.
> That's exaggerated: often many people share common interests, and thus
> want to follow a common set of discussions.
> ... which is expected to take place on Discourse.
> [...]
"Discourse", without further qualification, is a discussion medium, not
a discussion forum as I mean it ("a group of people sharing common
interests...").
The Python discourse instance is the equivalent of Python-list +
Python-dev + Ideas + Typing + Packaging + whatever else. Nobody is
expected to read all of that, are they? Thus it makes sense to be
interested in a sensible subset of it.
> This is what makes up a
> discussion forum. Python-dev has served well its hundreds (or is it
> thousands) of users over all those years, so its perimeter must be
> sensible enough.
> But the mailing list has also not served others well either
> [...], so I don't think it "must be sensible enough" that
> what python-dev does is always best/right/sensible.
> [...]
My words "sensible enough" only qualified the *thematic perimeter* of
Python-dev: design discussions including PEPs, relation to other
important projects in the community, sometimes general programming
philosophy.
This perimeter is a product of experience. There's a reason Python-dev
was split from Python-list, then Ideas from Python-dev etc. Let history
inform us.
In conclusion, the only thing I'm looking for is a fully working way to
access this information perimeter from a convenient mail-like interface.
Various solutions have been handwaved, but none is ready for prime time.
> In the meantime, I suppose Discourse must have some instance
> configuration knobs, and it would make sense that the length of the RSS
> files can be changed there (being a very arbitrary limit). The PSF could
> then choose a more appropriate length just for their own instance (the
> current 25-post limit represents less than 24 hours; a few days instead
> would be nice).
> 
> 
> If you can find the setting then we can look at tweaking it, but a quick
> glance at the admin interface didn't turn up anything obvious.
Sorry to say, but this is yet another sign that Discourse is not mature
enough for a community as big as Python. This set-in-stone limit is
obviously devised for a very small community.
Cheers,
Baptiste
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