Re: [Python-Dev] ctypes: is it intentional that id() is the only way to get the address of an object?

2019年1月18日 04:15:40 -0800

On 18 Jan 2019, at 11:57, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
On 2019年1月18日 03:00:54 +0000
MRAB <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2019年01月18日 00:48, Gregory P. Smith wrote:
I've heard that libraries using ctypes, cffi, or cython code of various
sorts in the real world wild today does abuse the unfortunate side
effect of CPython's implementation of id(). I don't have specific
instances of this in mind but trust what I've heard: that it is happening. id() should never be considered to be the PyObject*. In as much as code shouldn't assume it is running on top of a specific CPython implementation. If there is a _need_ to get a pointer to a C struct handle referencing a CPython C API PyObject, we should make an explicit API for that rather than the id() hack. That way code can be explicit about its need, and code that is just doing a funky form of identity tracking without using
is and is not can continue using id() without triggering regressive
behavior on VMs that don't have a CPython compatible PyObject under the
hood by default.
[who uses id() anyways?]
I use it in some of my code.
If I want to cache some objects, I put them in a dict, using the id as
the key. If I wanted to locate an object in a cache and didn't have
id(), I'd have to do a linear search for it.
Indeed. I've used it for the same purpose in the past (identity-dict).
Its useful in all situations where you do topology preserving transformations, for example pickling (i.e. object serialization) or a deep copy of some object structures. In these cases you need a way to record and quickly detect whether you've handled a specific object before. In Python we can do that with a dictionary that has object ids as keys. Java provides IdentityHashMap for that. Javascript provides neither, so deep-copying objects in Javascript seems to be impossible.
Regards
Antoine.
Servus,
 Walter
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