Re: [Python-Dev] Let's change to C API!

2018年8月11日 06:37:53 -0700

Hi Armin,
On 2018年8月10日 19:15:11 +0200
Armin Rigo <[email protected]> wrote:
> Currently, the C API only allows Psyco-style JITting (much slower than
> PyPy). All three other points might not be possible at all without a
> seriously modified C API. Why? I have no proof, but only
> circumstantial evidence. Each of (2), (3), (4) has been done in at
> least one other implementation: PyPy, Jython and IronPython. Each of
> these implementation has also got its share of troubles with emulating
> the CPython C API. You can continue to think that the C API has got
> nothing to do with it. I tend to think the opposite. The continued
> absence of major performance improvements for either CPython itself or
> for any alternative Python implementation that *does* support the C
> API natively is probably proof enough---I think that enough time has
> passed, by now, to make this argument.
Jython and IronPython never got significant manpower AFAIK, so even
without being hindered by the C API, chances are they would never have
gotten very far. Both do not even seem to have stable releases
implementing the Python 3 language...
That leaves us with CPython and PyPy, which are only two data points.
And there are enough differences, AFAIK, between those two that picking
up "supports the C API natively" as the primary factor leading to a
performance difference sounds arbitrary.
(the major difference being IMHO that PyPy is written in RPython, which
opens up possibilities that are not realistic with a C implementation,
such as the JIT being automatically able to inspect implementations of
core / stdlib primitives; in a CPython-based JIT such as Numba, you
have to reimplement all those primitives in a form that's friendly to
the JIT compiler)
Regards
Antoine.
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