Re: Is Java Web Start covered by WCAG?

For a Web Start Application the application itself is often delivered 
from a URI using http/https but it gets "installed" on the client. The 
install is not much different to a cache though.
The application which is delivered communicates with the server (or it 
may be completely stand-alone) using whatever protocol it desires. This 
may be http/https but is equally likely to be any other socket-based 
protocol.
You can see examples (launch from the first column) at 
http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/uiswing/examples/misc/index.html
This doesn't seem much different to me that PDFs or Word Documents that 
are launched from URLs.
I am still not clear on whether or not this is web content. From the 
discussions here I am leaning to Yes.
Regards,
james
On 4/26/2017 4:47 PM, David MacDonald wrote:
>
> WCAG only scopes content at URI's using HTTP to deliver. Any other 
> protocol is not in scope. PDFs over email are not in WCAG scope, PDFs 
> downloaded from FTP are not in scope, although WCAG techniques can be 
> used to make them accessible. I know it's messy, but until we widen 
> WCAG content definition to all delivery mechanisms, and that won't be 
> any time soon, I think WCAG is limited to that. However, any 
> jurisdiction is welcome to look at WCAG2ICT or any other mapping 
> document and instruct their jurisdictions to follow WCAG SCs for all 
> content. But that is not the WCAG Standard.
>
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> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:45 PM, John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com 
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> Clarification / correction / addition:
>
> ...If Web Start is used to transport and then launch a User
> Interface-based application or content​, I'd argue that yes,
> it is in scope in the same way that PDF delivered via FTP is
> in scope...
>
>
> JF
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> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Laura Carlson
> <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com <mailto:laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
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> Hi Gregg,
>
> Did you mean WCAG's Web page definition?
> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#webpagedef
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> Or something else?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Kindest Regards,
> Laura
>
> On 4/26/17, James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com
> <mailto:james.nurthen@oracle.com>> wrote:
> > Can someone point to that definition because I can't find it.
> >
> >> On Apr 26, 2017, at 12:32, Gregg C Vanderheiden
> <greggvan@umd.edu <mailto:greggvan@umd.edu>> wrote:
> >>
> >> the definition of Web Content is in the definition section
> of WCAG.
> >>
> >> if something meets that definition - it would be Web
> Content as per
> >> WCAG.
> >>
> >> g
> >>
> >>
> >> Gregg C Vanderheiden
> >> greggvan@umd.edu <mailto:greggvan@umd.edu>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 8:56 PM, Jonathan Avila
> <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com <mailto:jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> If when it is run it uses HTTP to get its content then it
> is web
> >>>> content. What is download it is simply a special user agent.
> >>>
> >>> A lot of things can be sent via HTTP. Remote Desktop can
> be run over
> >>> HTTP -- through a special user agent. This definition
> might include a
> >>> lot of things we haven't considered. PhoneGap wraps web
> content that
> >>> uses HTTP. So does that make PhoneGap a user agent?
> >>>
> >>> Jonathan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Gregg Vanderheiden RTF
> [mailto:gregg@raisingthefloor.org
> <mailto:gregg@raisingthefloor.org>]
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 2:48 PM
> >>> To: Laura Carlson
> >>> Cc: w3c-waI-gl@w3. org; public-low-vision-a11y-tf; James
> Nurthen
> >>> Subject: Re: Is Java Web Start covered by WCAG?
> >>>
> >>> Can't quite tell from your description. If it is
> downloaded and installed
> >>> and then run it is not the web application.
> >>>
> >>> If when it is run it uses HTTP to get its content then it
> is web content.
> >>> What is download it is simply a special user agent.
> >>>
> >>>> From your description it isn't quite clear which of the
> two cases it is
> >>>
> >>> Gregg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 8:45 PM, Laura Carlson
> <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com <mailto:laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello Everyone,
> >>>>
> >>>> James asked on Oracle's Adapting Text comment [1] if Java
> Web Start
> >>>> [2] [3] is covered by WCAG. He said, "The application is
> started from
> >>>> a URL and the application is downloaded, installed
> updated and run
> >>>> directly when clicking on a URL in a web page."
> >>>>
> >>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kindest Regards,
> >>>> Laura
> >>>>
> >>>> [1]
> >>>>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_w3c_wcag21_issues_222-23issuecomment-2D297476165&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=qCcV_q2_pBoCNU0qmktn3O6iqXJUvRJvTOx3FVtJRZU&e=
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_w3c_wcag21_issues_222-23issuecomment-2D297476165&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=qCcV_q2_pBoCNU0qmktn3O6iqXJUvRJvTOx3FVtJRZU&e=>
> >>>>
> >>>> [2]
> >>>>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Java-5FWeb-5FStart&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=ucxbJAZcLaQyGWHQAB4dxyvx_9w3C2uajdYaFXtvIWw&e=
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Java-5FWeb-5FStart&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=ucxbJAZcLaQyGWHQAB4dxyvx_9w3C2uajdYaFXtvIWw&e=>
> >>>>
> >>>> [3]
> >>>>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.java.com_en_download_faq_java-5Fwebstart.xml&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=cPjasa_fhYvGiueGWfxz6G5pSOhMMmEgajnrJA6lFr8&e=
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.java.com_en_download_faq_java-5Fwebstart.xml&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=cPjasa_fhYvGiueGWfxz6G5pSOhMMmEgajnrJA6lFr8&e=>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Laura L. Carlson
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Laura L. Carlson
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> John Foliot
> Principal Accessibility Strategist
> Deque Systems Inc.
> john.foliot@deque.com <mailto:john.foliot@deque.com>
>
> Advancing the mission of digital accessibility and inclusion
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