RE: Minutes from 27 Feb HTML5 Techniques Task Force

Belated regrets - at an all day meeting on another one of my projects at NIST.. Apologies..
Thanks for all the comments..
Best, Tim Boland NIST
From: Loretta Guarino Reid [mailto:lorettaguarino@google.com]
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 1:08 PM
To: WCAG; wai-xtech@w3.org
Subject: Minutes from 27 Feb HTML5 Techniques Task Force
http://www.w3.org/2012/02/27-html-techs-tf-minutes.html
 [1]W3C
 [1] http://www.w3.org/
 - DRAFT -
 HTML Techniques Task Force
27 Feb 2012
 See also: [2]IRC log
 [2] http://www.w3.org/2012/02/27-html-techs-tf-irc
Attendees
 Present
 Joseph_Scheuhammer, James_Nurthen, Marc_Johlic, Cooper,
 Bruce_Bailey, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Adam_Solomon, David_Todd
 Regrets
 Chair
 James_Nurthen
 Scribe
 Loretta
Contents
 * [3]Topics
 1. [4]Proposed new ARIA/WCAG techique Using aria-describdby
 and alert for Error Feedback in Forms]
 2. [5]Using the HTML5 required attribute to indicate that a
 value is required in an input field.
 * [6]Summary of Action Items
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 <scribe> scribe:Loretta
Proposed new ARIA/WCAG techique [Using aria-describdby and alert for
Error Feedback in Forms]
 Tim isn't at the meeting. This is an early draft, which is fine,
 especially while we are learing to write techniques
 Recommend just using HTML, not HTML5 specifically, for ARIA
 techniques.
 JN: The group is reviewing the comments in the survey.
 LGR: Is there anything in the comments that we don't think Tim
 should act on?
 Resolution: Leave open.
 MJ: Difference between how to use attributes vs how to address
 technique?
 BB: Is the use of alt="" with required attribute legitimate? Does
 this meet 1.1.1?
 LGR: We may need a separate 1.1.1 technique if we think this is ok.
Using the HTML5 required attribute to indicate that a value is required
in an input field.
 DT: Comments are looking familiar! Will go back and review to be
 sure that comments have been addressed.
 ... Updated technique this morning, so comments may be on an older
 version.
 AS: My comments are current.
 JN: Could we move this technique from the Trace wiki to the W3C
 wiki?
 ... See link at the top of the Trace wiki main page.
 ... Or at least create future techniques there.
 ... Should we try to revise and review this on the fly?
 <MichaelC> please use this URL for the technique on the WCAG wiki:
 [7]http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA/Using_aria-describe
 dby_and_alert_for_Error_Feedback_in_Forms
 [7] http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA/Using_aria-describedby_and_alert_for_Error_Feedback_in_Forms
 JN: What versions of what browsers support HTML5?
 ... We can put that information into Technology Notes for HTML5, and
 just note anything that is specific to the technique in the User
 Agent Notes.
 <DavidTodd> Using the html5 required attribute to validate (or
 "describe") a required input field
 <MichaelC> please use this URL for the technique on the WCAG wiki:
 [8]http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA/Using_the_required_
 attribute_to_indicate_a_required_input_field
 [8] http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA/Using_the_required_attribute_to_indicate_a_required_input_field
 <jamesn> DavidTodd, User Agent testing notes can be found here -
 [9]http://john.foliot.ca/required-inputs/
 [9] http://john.foliot.ca/required-inputs/
 <jamesn> AS: Should test procedures check all instances or just one?
 <jamesn> AS: What about consistency?
 <jamesn> LGR: Note sure we have always been consistent. Suggest
 going forward not to make the test procedure check all
 <jamesn> DT: do we want to mention specific browsers in the user
 agent notes?
 <jamesn> JN: Yes - where the user agent notes are more specific than
 general user agent notes.
 David will research browser behavior for user agent notes and bring
 the technique back for review.
 Otherwise, we think it looks fine.
 MJ: Going back to Adam's comments about browsers, will there be
 something about general browser behavior in the description?
 JN: Both is fine, in my opinion.
 ... In this case, there are 2 different UA behaviors in the
 description: browser rendering and screen reader behavior.
 <DavidTodd> Sorry, have to drop off to get to another call.
 MJ: Trying to decide how focused to keep techniques.
 JN: Who can't make next week's call, besides James and Michael? Josh
 will run the call.
Summary of Action Items
 [End of minutes]
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