- From: James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>
- Date: 2012年2月20日 16:30:09 -0800
- To: wai-xtech@w3.org, Protocols and Formats Working Group WG <w3c-wai-pf@w3.org>, w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
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Please find attached minutes from this mornings meeting both as text (below) and in the following link (as html). http://www.w3.org/2012/02/20-html-techs-tf-minutes.html Minutes from the last meeting of 2012年02月06日 which were not previously sent out to the list can also be found at http://www.w3.org/2012/02/06-html-techs-tf-minutes.html Note - Zakim was not logging attendance so no attendees are noted for this week's meeting. [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - HTML Techniques Task Force 20 Feb 2012 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2012/02/20-html-techs-tf-irc Attendees Present Regrets Chair Joshue Scribe James, jnurthen Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]Review submitted Techniques 2. [5]Review of HTML5 Required Technique (URI above) * [6]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <Joshue108> scribeNick: James <jnurthen> scribeNick: jnurthen Review submitted Techniques JOC: A couple of techiques submitted ... I have started a couple of draft techniques <DavidTodd> [7]http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Using_the_html5_r equired_attribute_to_indicate_that_a_value_is_required_in_an_input_f ield [7] http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Using_the_html5_required_attribute_to_indicate_that_a_value_is_required_in_an_input_field Review of HTML5 Required Technique (URI above) LGR: Trace wiki - will be there until it stops working ... better to use the w3c wiki - but if you have credetntials can use it JOC: be aware that not everyone can edit on the trace wiki DT: Just used this because this is what I had available ... just let me know where tyo transfer it to JOC: Straightforward technique DM: Whole user agent support issue ... There are a whole bunch of different ways of specifying required ... want a few examples rather than one JN: as long as our exmaples are correct I think that is enough ... isn it enough to link to the spec? ... I think we should use best practice LGR: don't want to jst refer to the spec JOC: Both syntaxes are correct Adam: can't be comprehensive - but as developers are used to using values for their attributes may want to add this here JOC: issue of multiple syntaxes is going to come up again Adam: If using required by iteslf should also include the other required is the same as required="true" which equals required="false" which equals required=0 Adam: required="required" seems to be used <Loretta> Is this the right link? [8]http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#attr-select-required [8] http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#attr-select-required LGR: asking about relationship to aria-required JN: I think if in the same techiqiue we confuse the user aganet support [9]http://john.foliot.ca/required-inputs/ [9] http://john.foliot.ca/required-inputs/ ??: Is this AT only or all user agents? JOC: some are pretty accessible LGR: what is is supposed to be doing according to the spec? JOC: in some places the spec defines the user experience but on other places it doesn't LGR: wouldn't expect to define the visual experience but would perhaps expect that if trying to submit it would fail <Joshue108> [10]http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/common-input-element-attributes.html# the-required-attribute [10] http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/common-input-element-attributes.html#the-required-attribute [11]http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/common-microsyntaxes.html#boolean-att ribute [11] http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/common-microsyntaxes.html#boolean-attribute JN: what are we going to do for boolean attributes in html5? Both styles or one? JOC: I think we should think about it a little more <David> [12]http://www.eramp.com/david/html5/required.html [12] http://www.eramp.com/david/html5/required.html LGR: we should include the link to the correct place in the spec but should also help people in plain english ... Is it clear what kind of modifications need doing? DT: have a few notes about UA support, test procedure and .... LGR: needs some work on the test prodedure Adam: we assume that the presence of the required attribute satisfies the success criteria DT: poerhaps take out step number 2 <David> [13]http://www.eramp.com/david/html5/html5_forms.html [13] http://www.eramp.com/david/html5/html5_forms.html JN: depends what success criteria you are trying to meet LGR: This could also be a 3.3.2 techique with user agent notes <Loretta> But 3.3.2 would still need a label, in addition. LGR: sounding less like a 3.3.2 candidate even for partial Adam: would like to see more visual discussion JOC: can add CSS to the field. LGR: could do a sufficient technique for this - need to look at H90 <Loretta> [14]http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/H90.html could be a model for how to write a 3.2.2 technique. [14] http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/H90.html <Loretta> It would need CSS and label as well as required attribute. LGR: H90 discusses what the group thought was minimally acceptable <Loretta> For each indicator of required status that is not provided in text, check that the meaning of the indicator is explained before the form control that uses it. LGR: concern is that * is easy to miss JOC: I like having the text required in the label JN: I think this should be a seperate technique LGR: agree Summary of Action Items [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [15]scribe.perl version 1.136 ([16]CVS log) $Date: 2012年02月20日 18:13:46 $ _________________________________________________________ [15] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [16] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ Scribe.perl diagnostic output [Delete this section before finalizing the minutes.] This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.136 of Date: 2011年05月12日 12:01:43 Check for newer version at [17]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002 /scribe/ [17] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00) Succeeded: s/parialt/parital/ Succeeded: s/parital/partial/ Found ScribeNick: James WARNING: No scribe lines found matching ScribeNick pattern:<James> ... 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