Re: How to put an annotation in HTML?

Hi Denny,
they are just several months away of becoming a recommendation, so it 
will happen soon. They are starting implementation within some weeks.
For exact details you would have to ask the mailing list or just wait 
for a while ;)
There should be an xslt stylesheet somewhere, that retrieves NIF RDF 
from ITS within HTML.
All the best,
Sebastian
Am 26.04.2013 16:05, schrieb Denny Vrandečić:
> Sebastian,
>
> thanks! its-ta-ident-ref is perfect! That's exactly what I have been 
> looking for.
>
> Only drawbacks are, that it is not a Recommendation yet (what's the 
> timeline here?), but that's not so terrible, and that this is the 
> possibly worst attribute name I have seen so far in HTML.
>
> Still, that's what I am going to use! Thanks,
> Cheers,
> Denny
>
>
>
>
>
> 2013年4月26日 Sebastian Hellmann <hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de 
> <mailto:hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>>
>
> Hi John and Denny,
> the problem is well known and RDFa has its limits. Please see the
> new ITS 2.0 spec [1], which provides a solution for this. ITS 2.0
> will likely be widely adopted by CMS and translation industry and
> it has an RDF transition using NIF[2] .
>
> @Denny: For your request RDFa should be fine, if you just want to
> include:
> <http://sws.geonames.org/4951788>
> <http://sws.geonames.org/4951788> a owl:Thing .
>
> Note that the resulting RDF does not contain any provenance
> information, so I am unsure, whether calling it an "annotation" is
> appropriate. It is rather an inclusion of extra triples in HTML.
> You are loosing any reference to "Springfield" as RDFa parsers
> don't support this.
> Turtle in HTML would also be an easy option:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#xhtml
>
> ITS 2.0 example:
> <p>It is well known, that <span
> its-ta-ident-ref="http://sws.geonames.org/4951788"
> <http://sws.geonames.org/4951788> >Springfield</span> has mild
> summers and short, but hard winters.</p>
> NIF:
> ...
> <http://example.com/doc.html#xpath(/p[1]/span[1]/text()[1])>
> <http://example.com/doc.html#xpath%28/p[1]/span[1]/text%28%29[1]%29>
> itsrdf:xpath2nif <http://example.com/doc.html#char=23,34>
> <http://example.com/doc.html#char=23,34> .
> <http://example.com/doc.html#char=23,34>
> <http://example.com/doc.html#char=23,34>
> rdf:type nif:RFC5147String ;
> itsrdf:taIdentRef <http://sws.geonames.org/4951788>
> <http://sws.geonames.org/4951788> ;
> ...
>
> Well, NIF is more for natural language processing tools and
> middleware, so it's overkill for just including the occasional
> triple now and then ...
>
> All the best,
> Sebastian
>
>
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/its20/
> [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/its20/#conversion-to-nif
>
> Am 24.04.2013 22 <tel:24.04.2013%2022>:08, schrieb John Flynn:
>>
>> I have long thought that a clean and simple method for
>> identifying terms in HTML that are instances of a specific
>> ontology would be a very valuable adjunct to the growth of the
>> Semantic Web. A number of years ago I proposed an approach to a
>> solution I called Instance Markup Language (1) which gained no
>> traction. The consensus at the time was that RDFa would provide
>> the solution for this need and also that it wasn't really
>> important because the great bulk of instance data would come from
>> large data bases and not from HTML. I don't think RDFa has in
>> fact provided a "clean and simple" way to identify specific terms
>> in HTML text and link those terms to classes or properties in a
>> specific ontology. I never thought my proposed approach was
>> exactly right, but I did have hope it would inspire someone come
>> forward with a similar, but cleaner, way to do this. Even though
>> the subject still occasionally come up, after all these years
>> it's pretty clear I was wrong about this being an important
>> component of Semantic Web technology.
>>
>> (1) http://mysite.verizon.net/jflynn12/IML.htm
>>
>> *From:*Denny Vrandečić [mailto:denny.vrandecic@wikimedia.de]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2013 1:59 PM
>> *To:* semantic-web at W3C
>> *Subject:* How to put an annotation in HTML?
>>
>> Sorry, probably a stupid questions:
>>
>> Let us say, I have some HTML like this...
>>
>> <p>It is well known, that Springfield has mild summers and short,
>> but hard winters.</p>
>>
>> And now, for example in order to simplify extraction, I want to
>> annotate Springfield with an URI, maybe like this, to make sure
>> that the computer understands I mean the Springfield
>> in Massachusetts:
>>
>> <p>It is well known, that <span
>> about="http://sws.geonames.org/4951788/">Springfield</span> has
>> mild summers and short, but hard winters.</p>
>>
>> How do I actually do that?
>>
>> Mind you, I don't want to add whole triples, but just annotate
>> the HTML and say "this element refers to the following URI".
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Denny
>>
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