So far it looks like they've just changed around some of the hooks/injections for things like the Start button. The Taskbar may be a bit more tricky, as it seems more hit-and-miss for what still works. However, I think it is still reasonable that the main features will be fixable.

I'm looking for a solution to this problem too. Many end-users are asking if they can go back to Windows 10 if that's what it takes to get OpenShell working again (a few of them have even asked if we can go back to Windows 7 or Windows XP) ... all because of the desire for a Start Menu that is actually easy to use.

OpenShell works fine for me on Windows 11. It has worked fine from the time I first upgraded to Windows 11 and installed OpenShell.

Just read about UI changes in Win 11 and I'm immediately "Psh wtf ever who cares. My UI never changes neener neener." That is .. uh .. provided Open-Shell development continues. Anyone know? Maybe I shouldn't be so cocky thinking

yeahh.. your thinking is sure a biiiit pregnant *bg* well, Openshell is Open Source and the developing should be in the next Century (like i hope) , in any case, i want also not miss OpenShell in the next 100 Years.. or so long i live *bg*.. no, better, so long i can handle my Fingers on the Keyboard and be in possible to nudge my mouse .
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Sometimes projects fizzle or get abandoned. I'll do what I can to keep it going. My coding skills are stale but I make wicked expresso and muffins, betchez

@githubblcb: I have mailed @coddec, the Founder of this Project and has ask him for open Source and get under GPL.. or to get it under open source and put into Github for a Open Project..
so, i have rerun this project and call for Project-members who can programming it..,
It has Start a Discussion and i have not make my Project-Member, because i can not programming i have experiences in a lot of Internet and OS-Things, but i can easy not programming.. i have it never started, only a bit PHP for my Homepage.. more not..
in the last 20 Years, because was just a Hobby and should make easy fun for me.. (i was already a System and Program Supporter in a Shop for/of Computers and so, because i have become with, i want have it/this as hobby and more not.. ) well this about programming and Teammember and not well enough english .. this is the reason why i am not a Team member, but i have ask the Founder for Open Source.. and i want over watch this Project and stay as Friend and nudge this project if it's need.. so far i can.. and i guess, you be also some and want this also to run.. and i guess, there outside.. because this OpenShell (ClassicShell) is a special super Tool who is handy for WinNT because it had also often prove it, want the peoples not miss because this just a really hot Program for WinNT in the next years... and i guess it let find in any case open source Programmers who want support this Software because it is handy and have prove, it is need to have, because M$ makes ever his own abstract bu...sh... Startmenu.. and any MS-Officer have a new freakin' Idea like you see the new Win11.. it is exist a Startmenu, but not this who have prove to handy use.. but this is found in 0p3n5h311 and because this reason want the peoples OpenShell never miss, like i guess further existing in the next couple Years.. also because -you- hope to exist this project further.. and yes, you can help too.. in which you also monitor it keep a watch on it (watch over it) and make it like me, @Ibuprophen, @niente0, @bonzibudd or other Github-Members.. and push it if it is need.., and to be honest, you can refresh your knowledge and your skills.. in team, it is not so, be in team not be helped there ;) (give you self not up)
This is the reason because exist Github also, Store, save and hold Project like this or Flo's notepad2 to hold it in the Public and make it possible for developing further if a Project stops, drops or get it easy abandoned.. To make it easy possible to save some cool software ..and to reanimation like @lars-sh his OneEye "WebShell" Cloud System for web-applications who it is any time possible for rerun it, because the time of Cloud's is now more starting like we see because Covit-19 who it is possible for Work over Net with a Desktop in PHP or Java and some Programming Languages for web.. this all can hold in run if it's give Peoples who have a eye on it and hold it up..

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dude wut

well.. one month later... =>

Beeeep => Wrong

*bg* like i have hear, did MS say the Windows Startmenu wana be stay and able to recovery, like i have hear,
if the Guy who it told it, was right, so had MS lied !!

It does not work at all. There is absolutely no sign of it even running, even though you can see it is running.

Everyone (Microsoft) seems to think searching for something is easier than one click and a slide to execute. You would think when you search for an app or program they are eventually gonna put an ad there.

Idiots? Your diplomacy is appreciated, even though the frustration some of my end-users have expressed over this has been more than enough to make a sailor blush.

Yes, my initial post is my findings when trying Open-Shell on Windows 11. Some things are broken, but overall it seems like it should be possible to fix.

If you want to screw things up, you can use a computer. If you want to really screw things up, Microsoft Windows is the best tool for that job.

This is the worst:

Alignment to the bottom of the screen is the only location allowed.

I hope we can have the taskbar at the top or sides again.

I hope we can have the taskbar at the top or sides again.

you can use a registry tweak to move the taskbar to the top https://winaero.com/move-taskbar-windows-10/

okey, i am not ge0rd1 ;), but is a build in the half public, so in a group given free.. like Insiders, what's imho outside of Microsoft is, it is imho in the Public Insider Group outside so the Microsoft only inside Group (so in the slave group from MS without pay anything (so in the group who want act like pirates but as buccaneer/freelancer/privateer for have ever the newest Soft from MS but in legal without any payment as tester) ;) for testing, but without a whip but with brain sugar .. ), therewith it is also worth to be used for debugging in early time in front of a public release to have for all well running Open Shell before it is get out the first the Win11 Official Release to have a well running Open Shell in Win11 before it is the first Official of Win11 in the public, because, if Win11 is then in the public, have we a pretty well working 0p3n 5h311 then.
But, this is only my opinion *s* ..
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edit: DigitalFunk, you must it not understand, it's enough if don Bonzibudd it understand ;)
editedit : https://twitter.com/stroughtonsmith/status/1410056281596039170?s=19
https://twitter.com/stroughtonsmith/status/1410060951408218121 =>"Dezember 2019"

@lornova since this is an open source project, you can participate at any time
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and because you be a programmer, do you know how many possibility's to bring in patches.. btw, i was there in Germany when the BBS had high time and had helped over Terminal and Z-Modem to bring the software to friends... 0X ;) ( you still know the time with the cake in "the" face.. ? *lol* ) so i guess, @ge0rdi is happy if he have a helping hand,.. so i can only say be welcome and have a happy coding and a nice hack in WH way *g* :)

I actually had a problem when replacing the start button, as the original could still be seen under the replacement (and could also be clicked through the transparent parts of the new png image). I worked around this by creating an opaque square the same color of the taskbar so that it completely covered the original button:
Win11small

I also moved the taskbar to the top using the registry method you mentioned (https://winaero.com/move-taskbar-windows-10), along with resizing the taskbar (https://winaero.com/how-to-change-taskbar-size-in-windows-11) and mostly got my desired result:
https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/57845261/125233405-50e22580-e293-11eb-9da5-f7defd225728.mp4

by the way, with 22000.65 it works the Startmenubutton on "classic" taskbar no more, also with the regkeys, it need only a tinny "dingggggkk" Sound to underline this..
your first Point is only a API where must be know, then works again.. this use by Win11 (and a checkbox "For Win11" ) and it should be possible for completely change out the Win11 Start Button like it was in XP-10 ... Win11 is just a further step with his "new" and "bullsch...ing" Taskbar .. the support for "flowing" menu, can also programming in, like i guess, in Openshell ... but i guess, they wait only for the officially time and if they have a bit time for do this ..

@YesTrustMe
Have you tried the pre-release 4.4.189.0? It was released Jan 19 of this year. I am running it on my two Windows 11 machines and my Windows 10 machine, and it is performing well for me without any issues.

If by a "helper" application are you referring to ExplorerPatcher as one of those? I use it on my Windows 11 machines. However, with the 4.4.189.0 release Open-Shell runs well on Windows 11 without any "helper" application. #745 (reply in thread)

The reason I use ExplorerPatcher is that it allows me to modify the Windows 11 interface more to my liking. In particular ExplorerPatcher enables the installation of the Quick Launch toolbar which Microsoft removed from Windows 11.

@YesTrustMe

Same here: 4.4.189 with ExplorerPatcher to enable Quick Launch toolbars.

All this works like a charm, and gives me an experience similar to the one I have with XFCE on Linux.

Thanks to all the developers !

.but it seems like it's always in Alpha given its lack of stability, I've tried it and I can't recommend it.

startallback works fine for me on windows 11. had absolutely zero issues with it, except it displays a sad face overlay the menus if you don't pay the license after trial expires, but keeps working.

There have been many updates since then, just not an official release. This is how opensource projects work, constant smaller releases that each fix various bugs or issues with the occasional big release that serves as a big stability release. 4.4.170 is considered the last "stable" release and is golden for Windows 10 and under. With how often Windows 11 code is shifting, the Open Shell developers are having to constantly adjust and fix the code to work correctly, while also hammering out various display bugs. Once Windows 11 goes stable then we will likely see an official release build of Open Shell.

sato-eme, you say:
"With the latest version, the location of the Open Shell Menu button has moved to the original Windows 11 Start Menu button, i.e. no configuration with two Start Menu buttons is available any more."
This statement is completely false. First, in Windows 11, you have to move the start button from the middle to the left using the Settings in Windows 11. But you could also use Open Shell with the button in the middle if you prefer.
Second, when the Open Shell Menu button is at the left, you do have access to both configurations:
---The open shell start menu button shows by default.
---By pressing the shift button and clicking on the start button, you can easily access the default normal Windows 11 start menu options.

In Windows 11, the current Open-Shell works perfectly fine except the transparency option that will be sorted out later on but that is a completely insignificant issue.

Kudos and many thanks to the developers for making Open-Shell work perfectly well in Windows 11 without having to use an extra program.

drezprime, you can still wait a little bit if you prefer to install Windows 11 and hopefully it will still be free later on for someone on Windows 10 who has not yet upgraded to Windows 11.
However, be aware that Open-Shell works perfectly fine now contrary to what sato-eme said by mistake.
And, no matter when you install Windows 11, you will need it just for the strong security features that it provides compared to Windows 10.

And remember I believe Windows 11 was made available in October 2021 so it will be soon, in just a few months, nearly two years that Windows 11 has been made available. If I was at your place, I would update now.

Kudos and many thanks to the developers for making Open-Shell work perfectly well in Windows 11 without having to use an extra program.

Please, see this for Windows 11 compatibility #1564.

Thank you for that and my apologies for not trying it first. I upgraded 4 PCs this AM to 4.4.189 [all 64-Bit Win11] and everything is fine. As a bonus, my Open-Shell menu now sprouts from the "Start" button. Previously, it always opened from the LHS of the Taskbar!

You are correct, of course. However, some of the "Windows 11 Obstacles" are mitigated by using Open-Shell. I am currently using v4.4.191 and have been for some time. It is very stable.

In fact, the Open Shell issues are being mitigated by the Windows 11 changes.

Those (certain) changes make it a challenge for the Open Shell development team to overcome/adapt to.

Though I can't state this as a fact, but I wouldn't be surprised if those challenges created by Microsoft are placed there by design.

~Ibuprophen

I installed Windows 11 24H2, from the officially released kit, to a Vmware VM. I installed the latest ExplorerPatcher version from here https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher/releases/tag/22621.3880666_92fce8c and selected the Windows 10 (ExplorerPatcher) taskbar style. I then installed Open Shell 4.4.170 and have had no problems with it.
I have not upgraded Windows 11 from an earlier version to 24H2 nor have I installed Windows 11 24H2 on a physical system.
I would suggest you backup your physical system, then restore it to a VM and upgrade that for testing purposes, if you have the resources to do so.
Hope this helps.

I installed Windows 11 24H2, from the officially released kit, to a Vmware VM. I installed the latest ExplorerPatcher version from here https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher/releases/tag/22621.3880666_92fce8c and selected the Windows 10 (ExplorerPatcher) taskbar style. I then installed Open Shell 4.4.170 and have had no problems with it. I have not upgraded Windows 11 from an earlier version to 24H2 nor have I installed Windows 11 24H2 on a physical system. I would suggest you backup your physical system, then restore it to a VM and upgrade that for testing purposes, if you have the resources to do so. Hope this helps.

Thanks for the reply.

Spending the time to install to a vm or restore to a vm to test is about the same as just restoring my physical if I was so inclined to do so.

I've actually gotten used to the new windows crap menu on other secure machines that I can't install third party stuff on, I just use a folder full of shortcuts and scripts instead. But still, it would be nice if the update didn't bork open-shell. And by the sounds of it, it should work, huzzah!

Not having open-shell isn't a deal breaker for me, it's just the cherry on top. I was just curious if anyone's tried it.

Thanks again!

Sorry, I forgot to mention that, as I don't have a compliant PC, I used Rufus to create a kit that would bypass the Windows 11 system requirements. https://rufus.ie/en/

No Aero transparency in W11 24H2 LTSC made ma return back to W10, prefer being able to control opacity of taskbar...

Easily solved using ExplorerPatcher in W11.

ExplorerPatcher is also required imo.

I used to use taskbar override in windows 10, when i found out that open shell cant do it in 11, i used startallback for a short while, (except, it doesnt have a hibernation button in its start menu.) It reminded me how fast the win7 style clock / calendar was.
Now i have to use openshell for the menu, startallback for the taskbar / tray. :(