User talk:Athanelar

As I mentioned last month :

edits like this one produce malformed list markup (as explained at MOS:INDENTGAP), because your first few paragraphs are indented by one colon, then the rest are not.

While you have fixed that specific cause, unfortunately the wider problem persists, for two reasons:

1. The "Collapse" templates sit outside the lists
2. You leave gaps between the indented paragraphs

The latter could be easily resolved . The former, not. My advice remains as previously: Put your boilerplate on separate page and link to it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:46, 8 December 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Good to know, thank you! Athanelar (talk) 13:09, 8 December 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Hi Athanelar. I was in the middle of nominating the above article for deletion when you requested speedy deletion. I'm not quite sure what to do now. Chess enjoyer (talk) 23:05, 10 December 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

I think procedure is to wait for the speedy nomination to be declined before raising it at AfD (since if speedy is accepted then a simultaneous AfD would just be a time waste)

Sorry to pre-empt you like that! I was going to AfD it myself but I don't think there's any dispute about the article, my BEFORE turned up nothing of use to evidence notability.

I guess just keep your AfD post in the holster in case whoever sees the speedy nom disagrees with me. Athanelar (talk) 23:10, 10 December 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Look at the page. It's at AFD right now, because Twinkle failed to cancel the nomination. I'm not opposed to speedying it per se, but thought it could use a wider discussion given how long it's been on here. I guess we'll see what happens. Chess enjoyer (talk) 23:17, 10 December 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Ah yes, I see. Well, if anyone wants to weigh in on the AfD in the meantime then I suppose they can. Athanelar (talk) 23:20, 10 December 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Hi again. I've withdrawn my AFD nomination. Could you go to the AFD page and indicate whether you still think the article should be deleted? Chess enjoyer (talk) 16:55, 11 December 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Done. Athanelar (talk) 17:32, 11 December 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Hi, Athanelar, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and in particular for your efforts helping new users at the WP:Teahouse, where your advice is generally very good. In one reply to a user, you suggested six things a new user could do in their early career here to learn how Wikipedia works that are easier than trying to create an article, all good ones imho, but I disagree with the last one mentioned, about reading discussions at WP:AN/I in order to "see how disputes are handled here" (diff). I really, really, would not recommend observing ANI to new editors. For one thing, ANI is *never* about resolving disputes about article content, that is handled elsewhere; ANI is strictly about handling conduct disputes , and often as not, ends up with editors—sometimes brand new editors—being sanctioned, or booted off Wikipedia entirely. It's a scary page for a newcomer to read, and might put them off of editing Wikipedia at all. ANI is about the last place I would send a new user to to learn about Wikipedia. There are plenty of other places to learn about dispute resolution involving article content, and you could send them there (I wouldn't; I would focus on the positive for a brand new editor, but that's at least a defensible choice) but I definitely would not send a new editor to ANI to learn about Wikipedia. Other than that minor point, I think your responses are pretty good, so once again, thanks for helping out at the Teahouse, and keep up the good work! Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 18:32, 11 December 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Valid point. My suggestion is based on the fact that observing ANI and seeing how Wikipedia handles problematic editors is pretty much what started my Wikipedia career (after 3 years of my account being largely inactive and only used for a very occasional gnome edit), but I recognise that my own specialised interest in procedural matters is not necessarily something shared by the general public. I'll amend my template. Athanelar (talk) 18:36, 11 December 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Hello Athanelar,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Perry Carpenter for deletion, because it's a redirect from an article title to a namespace that's not for articles.

If you don't want Perry Carpenter to be deleted, you can contest this deletion , but don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks!

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Zzz plant (talk) 20:21, 14 December 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Thanks, forgot to do that myself. Athanelar (talk) 20:22, 14 December 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

thank you for your ANI thread on soyjak.party, it's awful work, but i appreciate that you're the one doing it ~2025-30597-01 (talk) 12:54, 19 December 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

I agree with the TA, thanks. --Gurkubondinn (talk) 13:10, 19 December 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Thanks for the recognition. I was appalled to realise the extent of it when I started looking into that old ANI thread. I'm really hoping we can cut this tumour out effectively. Athanelar (talk) 13:17, 19 December 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

I'd also like to thank you for your (very eloquent) arguments for the importance of keeping Wikipedia as a human-written encyclopedia that I've seen around the recent RfCs. You've managed to put my feelings about it into words much better than I could have myself. If I could only find the specific comment that I'm thinking about again, I would keep it in notes (have it engraved on a metal plaque, frame it and hang it on my wall). --Gurkubondinn (talk) 13:23, 19 December 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

I'm really hoping we can cut that tumour out, too. Athanelar (talk) 13:24, 19 December 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

I'm really hoping that we can convince people that it is a malignant tumor, that needs to be cut before it has metastasized more than it already has. --Gurkubondinn (talk) 13:28, 19 December 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

yeah, it's also appalling that a lot of the soyjak.party "trolling attempts" are tactics that 4chan developed during GamerGate. there's nothing new about it! ~2025-30597-01 (talk) 14:59, 19 December 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Thanks for reporting that person to the other noticeboard. This is my first day on wikipedia, so I don't know many of your inner policies. Thank you for your patience!!! ClarityCrusader (talk) 02:57, 22 December 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Not 'your' policies, they're 'our' policies - that includes you now, Wikipedian. ;)

You didn't do anything wrong, just inefficiently. I would advise you enable the Wikipedia gadget WP:Twinkle, which is great for a variety of things, among them greatly simplifying the process of reporting problem editors. Athanelar (talk) 03:01, 22 December 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

For future reference, please note that if you're moving content from mainspace to draftspace, for whatever reason, you must also disable any category declarations on the page — either by wrapping them in the {{draft categories }} template, or by placing a leading colon in front of the word "Category" in each category link. Drafts aren't allowed to be in categories, per WP:DRAFTNOCAT, so if you fail to disable the categories after sandboxing an article, you're making more cleanup work for other people — so you need to disable the categories yourself when you move the page instead of leaving it for other people to fix. Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 14:34, 22 December 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Good to know, thank you! Athanelar (talk) 14:55, 22 December 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

Abishe (talk) 09:01, 25 December 2025 (UTC) [reply ]

In the tradition of Polygnotus, an LLM cleanup fox for you. Thank you for the assist with the Udit Narayan article cleanup and the corresponding noticeboard discussion. Really appreciate it!

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you might want to move your most recent ANI comment about waxdude3 to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Waxdude3_slurs,_NOTHERE ~2025-30597-01 (talk) 22:04, 3 January 2026 (UTC) [reply ]

I'll leave it where it is, if anything I was considering merging that second thread into the first one to make it one big 'inquisition' thread like my previous one; so I'll leave it to admins/someone uninvolved to decide what should be merged where. Athanelar (talk) 22:05, 3 January 2026 (UTC) [reply ]

oh cool! i wasn't aware that admins could do that. ~2025-30597-01 (talk) 22:07, 3 January 2026 (UTC) [reply ]

ANI isn't protected, so technically anybody can edit the page and move comments around. Athanelar (talk) 22:08, 3 January 2026 (UTC) [reply ]

i guess you were, edit conflicted (got my first edit conflict warning on this page! woohoo) ~2025-30597-01 (talk) 22:10, 3 January 2026 (UTC) [reply ]