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Hi, the "Current time in Japan" field in the {{WikiProject Japan}} box is stale by random amounts ranging from hours to days, depending on which article you look at, and, presumably, the last time something was cached. 86.160.87.142 (talk) 20:35, 23 May 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

See the discussion above. ···日本穣 ^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 06:34, 24 May 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

I think this feature is so badly broken that it should probably be removed. Perhaps the other option would be to have a button for people to click to force an update, and only then show the date and time. See also my comment at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:WikiProject_Japan#Wrong_time }}86.181.174.197 (talk) 11:11, 24 May 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

the feature is not broken, badly or otherwise. There is nothing wrong with the code. The problem is your browser or your ISP (some of them cache things like that, and don't update the cached info all hat often. ···日本穣 ^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 08:53, 25 May 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

I agree with 86.181.174.197. The Template:Time has "purge" entry which refresh the current time. The template Template:Japan current era date should be corrected as such or removed. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 11:47, 24 May 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

I've added a purge feature to the template so you can force your browser to behave properly. ···日本穣 ^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 08:53, 25 May 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

Thank you for the quick response. However I have a complaint about the name "purge". It is not the purpose of users to update the time but a measure to attain the purpose. I think it should be "update" or "reflesh". ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 09:29, 25 May 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

Even though there's no real reason to do so, I've updated it to state "refresh". It doesn't change anything, though. ···日本穣 ^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 06:07, 26 May 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

Remove the so-called current time. Moscowconnection (talk) 18:37, 26 May 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

It's been fixed so there's no longer a need.—Ryulong (竜龙) 19:23, 26 May 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

The "refresh" option is definitely an improvement. However, the emphasis/impression is still that the current time is likely / ought to be correct as displayed, and that "refresh" is an optional feature that perhaps you can use when the page has been open in your browser for a while, for example. In fact, the time is (essentially) never correct when a page first opens, and is usually wildly wrong. So, rather than being the optional extra that the current presentation suggestions, "refresh" is normally essential. Really, it should be presented as "click this to get the time in Japan", however that is done. 81.159.111.3 (talk) 14:04, 6 June 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

I, too, can't regard it as having been fixed. I'm still for removal. Moscowconnection (talk) 20:35, 5 July 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

The problem isn't the code. It's a problem with either your browser or your ISP caching the file. If they were doing it properly, you wouldn't ever run into the problem. There's no valid reason to remove it, especially since anyone with a technology-challenged browser or ISP can simply click the refresh link. ···日本穣 ^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 06:22, 9 July 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

It happens just the same when all local browser-cached files have been deleted. Whether it is an ISP caching issue or Wikipedia caching issue is hard to prove, but the fact that we are refreshing the page by using the "action=purge" command, that only Wikipedia understands, kind of suggests the latter, wouldn't you say? Also, I find it quite hard to believe that my ISP is caching obscure Wikipedia pages, such as Talk:Japanese particles, for up to two weeks or more. Plus it is a known fact that there is a design flaw in Wikipedia whereby it often serves stale pages under some circumstances, hence the need for the "action=purge" nonsense in the first place. 86.179.7.34 (talk) 21:58, 9 July 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

Hey, a while back, I created the Hatoful Boyfriend article. Just recently I came across these three articles regarding it. They seem to be discussing the creation of a four panel comic strip based on the game, from what I can tell. But some clarification and elaboration on what these articles say would be greatly appreciated. Silver seren ^C 09:26, 15 June 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

Oh, and a translation of this would also be appreciated. Silver seren ^C 09:28, 15 June 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

No one can help? Silver seren ^C 09:03, 21 June 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

It looks interesting, but surely there have been English language entries on the game as the publisher has done an English language version?—Ryulong (竜龙) 19:15, 21 June 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

Oh, of course there are, i've already got them in the article. But I would certainly like to add more, especially since these Japanese sources seem to have information that wasn't available in the English ones (like about that comic strip). Can you help with translating them? As long as I can understand the gist and important info in them, then I can use them. At least I wouldn't have to worry about copyvios since I don't have a way of actually copying the text. :P Silver seren ^C 00:58, 22 June 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

I'm afraid I can't be of much help right now, sorry.—Ryulong (竜龙) 01:13, 22 June 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

Can anyone else help? Silver seren ^C 20:41, 22 June 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

I'm sorry, I'm still a basic learner and if I stray too far from irimoya-zukuri and hekiga then I'm on pretty shakey ground; in the past I've had luck here fishing for translation help by having a first stab myself and then asking a couple of specific queries where I was really unsure; there's also the language reference desk? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 12:38, 23 June 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

I was under the impression that after a pre-Meiji historical figure was introduced in an article (surname-personal name), it was common to thereafter use the personal name throughout the article (as in Nobunaga, Ieyasu, etc.). I looked at the MOS at WP:JTITLE, and it offers no help in this area. Can someone point out the appropriate MOS policy? Thanks. Boneyard90 (talk) 21:07, 19 June 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

It's more common to use the surname throughout the article except in cases where that would be unclear (e.g., if there were two people with "Oda" as a surname being discussed). ···日本穣 ^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 07:11, 20 June 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

Thanks. I guess I was under a false impression. Maybe "Nobunaga" seems to have more kick than "Oda".Boneyard90 (talk) 12:30, 20 June 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

Per WP:JTITLE "Names of historical figures [...]: Use name most commonly used in academic journals and texts." In the academic writing I'm familiar with, and I confirmed this with several academic journals/texts this morning, the full name is used in the first instance, and given name in subsequent use. E.g., Ashikaga Takauji in the first instance, and Takauji in subsequent use. In my opinion, WP:NAMES is of no help at all, as pre-Meiji period names don't fit into the surname/forename/patronymic paradigm used there. Example from Monumenta Nipponica, v. 62, no. 3, autumn 2007. Verschuer, Charlotte von. Ashikaga Yoshimitsu's Foreign Policy 1398 to 1408 A.D.: A Translation from Zenrin Kokuhōki, the Cambridge Manuscript.

"ASHIKAGA Yoshimitsu 足利 義満 (1358–1408), third shogun of the Muromachi bakufu, initiated an era of official trade relations with the Chinese Ming court and the Korean Choson court that would last for more than one hundred fifty years. Yoshimitsu held the position of shogun from 1368 to 1394, and after retiring from formal office, continued to exercise power until his death in 1408. Yet for the first three decades of his rule [...]."

Would love to hear what others have to say on this. :) Prburley (talk) 16:19, 20 June 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

Cambridge History of Japan I: Kakinomoto no Hitomaro → Hitomaro, Soga no Umako → Umako, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 21:53, 20 June 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

And, I guess more immediately relevant to your query, vol. IV: Nobunaga, Hideyoshi, Ieyasu etc, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 22:04, 20 June 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

Cool. A GAR-editor was concerned, and after I started to make changes, opined that it ultimately it didn't matter, as it wasn't a GA-policy. I'm going to back through the article and check for consistency. He thought it might be of more concern at the FA-level, when an article is more closely scrutinized for its adherence to Wiki-policy.Boneyard90 (talk) 15:07, 22 June 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

Congratulations on your fourth pip! Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 12:49, 23 June 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

Should a clarification to this effect be made in WP:NAMES? There's a blurb on Thai names. Prburley (talk) 15:40, 22 June 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

Looks like any wording would have to be agreed here first - some pretty different positions upheld thus far, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 12:49, 23 June 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

Thanks Mac! And I agree, we'd need some consensus. I've been going on surname + personal name at the start of sections; for minor historical figures, surname only; for the best-known names of major figures, personal name after s+pn introduction (Ieyasu, Nobunaga); personal names in cases when there's more than one of the same surname (father & son, brothers in the same article, etc.). Thoughts? Boneyard90 (talk) 14:16, 23 June 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

I thought maybe book prefaces, where there's typically the section "names follow the Japanese order, surname first...", might be a good place to look for example guidelines, but I haven't immediately found one which discusses/explains which name is generally used, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 17:24, 23 June 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

Anyone huniversity heducated at one of these institutions can now get JSTOR, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 21:59, 20 June 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

I noted we have many disparate articles on Japanese scales, primarily pentatonic, and most of which need a lot of work. But we had no page for them overall, and thus no easy way to list them as "Japanese" in Template:Scales. Accordingly, I created Japanese musical scales, but it could really use some work from someone more versed in Japanese music than I. As one interested in the Akebono scale, it's been frustrating to see the article unreferenced, and I'm unable to find good refs for it online. I'm also cross-posting this post in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music theory. MatthewVanitas (talk) 22:05, 25 June 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

A requested move survey was started at Talk:Perth_(disambiguation)#Requested_move, which proposes to move:

• Perth → Perth, Western Australia
• Perth, Scotland → Perth, Perthshire
• Perth (disambiguation) → Perth

Background: There was a previous requested-move survey which ran from late May to mid June. There was a great deal of controversy surrounding the closure and subsequent events, which involved a number of reverts and re-reverts which are the subject of an ongoing arbitration case. There was a move review process, which was closed with a finding that the original requested-move closure was endorsed; however, the move review process is relatively new and untried. — P.T. Aufrette (talk) 03:17, 26 June 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

Concerning the following articles: Sino-Xiongnu War, Gojoseon–Han War, Goguryeo–Wei War, Goguryeo–Sui War, Goguryeo–Tang War, Silla–Tang War, Ming–Kotte War, Ming–Hồ War, Mongol–Jin War, Gaya–Silla War, Goguryeo–Yamato War, Goryeo–Khitan War.

The move request is at [1].--Cold Season (talk) 02:24, 28 June 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

Hi, any further confirmation or comment at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Language#Furigana_in_newspapers_.28Japanese.29 would be very welcome. This is a troublesome and persistent myth (if indeed it is a myth), which I would like to eliminate from Wikipedia if everyone is confident it's incorrect. 86.179.117.144 (talk) 03:19, 30 June 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

The help desk page has been archived to Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Language/2012_June_28#Furigana_in_newspapers_.28Japanese.29 and some other user has deposited a response there. The JAWP article ja:常用漢字#法令における使用 mentions there is furigana rule (mandatory) for law codes, and highly recommended for official publications, but does not give any indication taht this furigana rule extends to newspaper publications. --Kiyoweap (talk) 04:03, 10 July 2012 (UTC).[reply ]

I have nominated Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. PumpkinSky talk 11:04, 1 July 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

Project members might like to take a look at Template:People of the Sengoku period. Recently, one or more Anon-IP editors have made some fairly major changes to the template, without any explanation or discussion. Not necessarily "bad" changes, but as the template is applied to a large number of articles, the final result would benefit from additional eyes and input. Some things to consider: Should the list of notable samurai be culled? Should some be moved to the "major daimyo" section? Are the various categories (i.e. Daimyo, Emperors, Ninja) acceptable and in the right order? Boneyard90 (talk) 11:03, 5 July 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

no  Disagree I looked at the edit made by 42.224.46.103(talk) at 10:13, 4 July 2012.(+507) which represents most of the recent change. I don't think he deleted any names, just splintered off the "others" group into specific groups like "women", "ninjas", and "swordsmans" (sic). The edits he made seem perfectly sound to me. I also don't see any good reason to winnow down the list under "notable samurai". Most of these are familiar enough recurrent figures in Sengoku era dramatizations. I'm not particularly troubled by the order, but I suppose you can just eliminate the emperors from the template if it disturbs. I do have specific suggestion for additions to the list, but will make note of them under Template talk:People of the Sengoku period--Kiyoweap (talk) 06:00, 10 July 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

This is slightly obscure but I am wondering if there was any coverage on EN or JP wikipedia of the 1909 sugar scandal involving the Dainippon Sugar Refining Co and several members of the Diet. I just came across it in researching an article and it seems to have been a pretty big deal with several politicians arrested.[2] Hack (talk) 04:43, 6 July 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

The ja:WP article is ja:日本製糖汚職事件. Oda Mari (talk) 07:07, 6 July 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

At Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#Voxu, input has been requested from someone knowledgeable about Japanese history about the redirect Voxu which currently targets Mutsu province. Thryduulf (talk) 10:28, 8 July 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

I've added an edit notice at Template:Editnotices/Group/Portal:Japan so we can standardize content on the portal (especially in the anniversary section). This notice appears whenever any page in the portal is edited, including those not yet created. Please let me know if you have any questions. ···日本穣 ^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:48, 8 July 2012 (UTC) [reply ]

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