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A fact from Zeng Laishun appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 31 December 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
Comment to the reviewer: given that this is a "first" hook, and a pretty exceptional one at that, please be sure to check if the sources adequately support the claim, and see if counterexamples can be found. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:14, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Since Blervis looks like a pretty new reviewer, and this is a hook with higher sourcing standards than usual, should I put this up for second opinion? I think that might be a good idea. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 04:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This article is long enough and new enough (moved to mainspace on the day of nomination, and subsequently promoted to GA). It is well sourced, neutral and with no copyvio problems. The image file is in the public domain (original ca. 1880s). The hook is very sourced: Rhoades (2011, p3) says 'Though not well known, Zeng Laishun was the first Chinese to attend an American college', and had previously reported this in an article 2005, where he presented the evidence for this statement.
The hook stands up as it is, and works well. It is properly sourced in the article too. Good to go! Chaiten1 (talk) 15:13, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll just switch the hook; it's one of those situations where no one else contradicts Rhoads on this, but I can only find Rhoads or people citing him saying it directly. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 17:42, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rhoads, Edward J. M. (2005). "In The Shadow Of Yung Wing: Zeng Laishun and the Chinese Educational Mission to the United States". Pacific Historical Review. 74 (1): 19–58. doi:10.1525/phr.2005741.19. JSTOR 10.1525/phr.2005741.19. (pp. 40–42)
ALT1 looks good to me. The hook is interesting, and the cited source checks out. The hook is in the article, and cited appropriately. In Rhodes article, the fact of Zeng's attendance is based on two contemporary newspaper reports - so it is verified. Chaiten1 (talk) 21:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):
(削除) ...from eastern Guangdong... Specify that Guangdong is in southern China. (削除ここまで)
Fixed. - G
(削除) Both worked as vegetable farmers... Who? (In the previous sentence Zeng is mentioned.) (削除ここまで)
Fixed. - G
(削除) ...mostly of Chinese-Malay ancestry Do we know why? (削除ここまで)
(削除) They were forbidden from speaking Malay... Do we know why? (削除ここまで)
Sadly doesn't say for either of these. -G
(削除) After Zeng's departure, church records reported only five Chinese Christians in Singapore. Is this necessary? If yes, consider mentioning it in a footnote after his departure for the US is mentioned in the following section.) (削除ここまで)
I think it's good context, but moved. - G
....previously stationed in Guangzhou... Specify that Guangdong is in southern China.
Added. - G
I did not find.
(削除) He instead returned to China with Williams and his wife... Perhaps "William's wife"? (削除ここまで)
Fixed. - G
(削除) ...aboard the Samuel Russell... Delete. (削除ここまで)
Fixed. - G
(削除) Zeng arrived in Hong Kong... Specify Hong Kong's position in this time. (削除ここまで)
Fixed. - G
(削除) Delink Guangzhou and Thomas Hanbury when they are mentioned for the second time. (削除ここまで)
Guangzhou is only linked once in the lede and once in the body; delinked Hanbury's second apperance though.
I delinked the third mention of Guangzhou.
(削除) Introduce (shortly) J. Dryer Ball. (削除ここまで)
Fixed (and realized I had made a typo of his name).
(削除) He was enrolled in Chinese study for two years. Consider mentiong here that he became familiar with a range of Chinese dialects and languages (which is mentioned in section Chinese Educational Mission), or alternatively in that section the relevant sentence could be modified: " In addition to his knowledge of English, Zeng was (削除ここまで)had become familiar with a range of Chinese dialects and languages across the coast of south China..."
Fixed, ty. - G
(削除) At Ningbo... Is this necessary? If yes, specialise that it is in eastern China. (削除ここまで)
Fixed. - G
(削除) She was described by an 1850 report as "Indo-Chinese" heritage Not "as of "Indo-Chinese" heritage"? (削除ここまで)
(削除) , with partial Chinese ancestry Delete (this is what "Indo-Chinese" heritage implies). (削除ここまで)
Fixed these. - G
(削除) A link to Union Church? If link does not exist, introduce it. (削除ここまで)
(削除) Zeng briefly moved to Bangkok in 1857 for business purposes. Consider mentioning that Bangkok is in Thailand, or that he left China for Bangkok. (削除ここまで)
Fixed. - G
(削除) In August 1856, Zeng was introduced to fellow convert Yung Wing, who had also attended college in the United States. Alongside two other missionaries, they boated up the Yangtze in the autumn of 1860 to visit Tianjing (renamed from Nanjing during the rebellion), the capital of the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom. They met with Shield King Hong Rengan in an attempt to ascertain the beliefs of the Taiping rebels and their likelihood of success. After a two month journey, they returned to Shanghai unimpressed with the movement. Quite out of context without further details on the rebellion, the kingdom and the king. (削除ここまで)
(削除) Introduce Zuo Zongtang, Zeng Guofan, Li Hongzhang, Samuel Wells Williams, Li Hongzhang. (削除ここまで)
(削除) ...was granted the courtesy name... By whom? (削除ここまで)
(削除) ...the two came up... Who? (削除ここまで)
Clarified. - G
(削除) Introduce the Zongli Yamen. (削除ここまで)
Added. - G
... aboard the Pacific Mail steamer Costa Rica... After brief stops in Nagasaki and Kobe, they arrived in Yokohama, and transferred to the larger SS Great Republic ... lodging at the Occidental Hotel, ... aboard the SS Java Delete.
(削除) Zeng himself reconnected with his former teachers; he wrote to his former teachers Ira Tracy, Joseph Travelli, and Edward North,... Rephrase for simplification. (削除ここまで)
Fixed. - G
(削除) Following the 1842 Treaty of Nanking... Perhaps "Following the 1842 Treaty of Nanking closing the Second Opium War, ..."? (削除ここまで)
Fixed. - G
(削除) Link Tongzhi Emperor. (削除ここまで)
Linked. - G
(削除) Be consistent when mentioning short numbers: "7 other Chinese and western dignitaries" and "12 students" vs "ten days". (削除ここまで)
Fixed. - G
(削除) ...by both the Cuban colonial government... Both? A link to Cuban colonial government? (削除ここまで)
(削除) ...was a Chinese interpreter, businessman, and educator. Chinese? (His mother was Malay, and he was born in Singapure.) (削除ここまで)
I figured that since I explain his family background and birthplace in the next sentence, Chinese is okay considering he spent most of his life and career in China and he worked for the Chinese government.
(削除) In 1866, Zeng was hired as an English instructor... By whom? (The lede does not make it clear that he taught in China.) (削除ここまで)
I cannot check it now because access to this article was closed at JSTOR. I trust your words because otherwise the article is exemplarily cited. I think there is only one pending issue to be addressed: the paragraph about the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom, Shield King Hong Rengan and a mystic rebellion is absolutely unclear. Borsoka (talk) 01:58, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Decent and interesting page. I copyedited a bit and added some notes. I didn't add a template for it but I'd also suggest rewriting the Family section to briefly introduce the various children instead of throwing their occupations in the mix, as you did with Annie and Lena. Willie, for instance, is mentioned once in the prior section ("... and took his son Willie to visit Hamilton College...") and then thrown into the Family section ("Willie served as an interpreter for the United States consular court in Shanghai."), which can be rather confusing. There's also an abundance of semicolons, a number of which could be replaced by other punctuation to make the sentences flow smoother. Good job overall ! 2A0D:6FC7:510:9975:578:5634:1232:5476 (talk) 12:38, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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