Talk:Steam Machines

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The result of the move request was: RESULT. Consensus is clearly to move. Moved and disambig/redirect pages created. MASEM (t) 03:18, 27 January 2014 (UTC) Reply

Steam Machine → Steam Machine (consoles) – Confusion between Steam engine and machine Vaypertrail (talk) 11:15, 18 January 2014 (UTC) Reply

I think a Steam machine (disambiguation) is really needed at this point, and this page moved to Steam Machine (consoles). I've already noticed lots of links to this article when they are talking about the steam engine.--Vaypertrail (talk) 11:15, 18 January 2014 (UTC) Reply

Oppose move, but agree on a disambiguation page since there's more than a handful, which this would point to. "Steam Machine" as a common name is clearly going to be the Valve hardware concept. (Google: "steam machine" valve 5.3 M hits; "steam machine" "daft punk" 260k hits). --MASEM (t) 14:49, 18 January 2014 (UTC) Reply

Also to note, while "Steam machine" can be a name for a steam-engine based device, that's differing by casing, which is acceptable for differentiation in name. --MASEM (t) 14:51, 18 January 2014 (UTC) Reply

Steam machine is another common name for a steam engine (water vapor) and valve's are part of them, so obviously you are going to get several million hits for that search. I think you are using google search incorrectly, my results were:

Steam (Valve Machines)

• "steam machine" "valve corporation" - 26,800
• "steam machine" "gabe newell" - 168,000
• "steam machine" "valve software" - 41,400

Steam (water vapor power)

• "steam machine" "Industrial Revolution" - 203,000
• "steam machine" "boiler" - 1,300,000
• "steam machine" "locomotive" - 309,000
• "steam machine" "Human After All" "Television Rules the Nation" "daft punk" - 1,970,000

See WP:RECENT.--Vaypertrail (talk) 15:46, 18 January 2014 (UTC) Reply

Most people in the industry don't call Valve "Valve Corporation". So if go to "'steam machine' computer" I get 8.7M hits, "'steam machine' gaming" 23.6M hits. So yes, it is still the more common name. --MASEM (t) 15:58, 18 January 2014 (UTC) Reply

Please stop mentioning results of common terms, steam machines have been used with computers since computers existed, and 'gaming' has multiple unrelated meanings. "steamos" "steam machine" "valve" - 794,000.

As you can see from https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=steam+machine the term became common in publications when the Steam engine was invented during the Industrial Revolution.--Vaypertrail (talk) 16:32, 18 January 2014 (UTC) Reply

The "Steam machine" / "Steam Machine" is not an issue; we allow pages that are different by casing (and when I created this page, "steam machine" is just a redirect to "steam engine". The question is what other uses of "Steam Machine" (all caps) come into play, and it's clear that the Valve unit is the most common term of the all-caps version, moreso than anything else (certainly more than the Daft Punk song). There is the issue that the words "steam machine" are related to the other things currently in the hatnote like steam cleaning, etc., but they aren't proper terms there. As such, this page should stay where it is, with a specific disambiguation to Steam engine to talk about "steam machines", and with all other users groupped at a Steam machine (disambiguation). --MASEM (t) 18:38, 18 January 2014 (UTC) Reply

• Support – It's a recent and relatively minor use (as a quick book search shows), and we usually don't settle for disambiguation by capitalization alone. Dicklyon (talk) 18:41, 18 January 2014 (UTC) Reply
• Support steaming machines, steam cookers, steam clothes presses/irons, steam engines are all quite likely, more so than a new game relatively obscure game console (and even as a game console is more likely to refer to the nVidia Shield) -- 70.50.148.122 (talk) 04:36, 19 January 2014 (UTC) Reply
  • Uh, no, the entire gaming and computer industry is watching what develops with Steam Machines, and it's not going to be like the Shield since there's multiple vendors. --MASEM (t) 18:36, 20 January 2014 (UTC) Reply
    • No, the entire game industry is looking at the XB1vPS4 battle and whether tablets will usher in the death of consoles; Steam Machine is like the Oyua, something of an outlier. Most Steam games won't even run on a Steam Machine, since it isn't Windows. And the most prominent Steam device is the Shield, so garners much of the current buyer attention for Steam devices. -- 70.50.148.122 (talk) 04:23, 21 January 2014 (UTC) Reply

• Support some move (since the Daft Punk song is obvious primary); but i'm not sure what the thing is
  Steam Machine (hardware platform)??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.120.175.135 (talk) 15:54, 19 January 2014 (UTC) Reply
  • There's no way the Daft Punk song is the primary use of Steam Machine since there's not even a separate article for it, and this is proven false by the google hit count. --MASEM (t) 18:35, 20 January 2014 (UTC) Reply
• Support move and put a disambiguation page at "Steam Machine". Keep Steam machine pointing to steam engine (and make sure to list that on the disambiguation page). Red Slash 17:23, 20 January 2014 (UTC) Reply

With discussion in the above "Console vs PC" going nowhere. Are we certain all Steam Machines are consoles? That is what this rename is implying. « Ryūkotsusei » 03:18, 21 January 2014 (UTC) Reply

They aren't consoles, or at least certainly they all won't be consoles since a user can create their own. That said, there is some term that could go in "Steam Machine (X)" if it is decided that we have to move this page from "Steam Machine" (non disambiguatied), but "consoles" is not the right one. "computer hardware", "computer", etc. might be more suitable. --MASEM (t) 03:49, 21 January 2014 (UTC) Reply

They are all supposedly STBs (set top boxes). They are boxes that connect to the TV set; all TV videogame consoles are STBs. VCRs, DVD players are STBs. -- 70.50.148.122 (talk) 04:20, 21 January 2014 (UTC) Reply

But there's no requirement for them to connect to a TV set either, though Valve targets them for the living room. -- ferret (talk) 12:29, 21 January 2014 (UTC) Reply

There's no requirement to connect your XBox to a TV either; many people connected VCRs to another VCR as a dubbing setup. -- 70.50.148.122 (talk) 05:41, 22 January 2014 (UTC) Reply

Consoles are generally designed to be a fixed (as in, a locked-down hardware design) computer unit. The Steam Machine concept is meant to encourage open hardware and end-user modification, so this is the farest thing from a console as possible. --MASEM (t) 16:01, 21 January 2014 (UTC) Reply

Several consoles have been adaptable, such as the original XBox which many people hacked, replacing parts at will because it was just a PC stuffed into a console format. The PS2 and PS3 had Linux editions, and homebrew games. The Sega Genesis was notorious for all its add-ons (Sega CD, Sega 32X, etc). Some of the Google MiniPCs are upgradable boxes instead of sticks, and those are STBs. -- 70.50.148.122 (talk) 05:41, 22 January 2014 (UTC) Reply

Xbox: keyword "hack" as opposed to "encourage open hardware and end-user modification". Sega consoles: locked-down hardware design with add-ons specific to that manufacturer. Sony: hardware is still locked-down. I think moving this to something like "Steam Machine (hardware platform)" is broad enough to cover all bases if its up to the manufacturer to create a console or PC. « Ryūkotsusei » 16:20, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

"Hardware platform" works too given that the concept allows uses to create their own Steam Machines by building one that meets the required specifications. --MASEM (t) 16:29, 24 January 2014 (UTC) Reply

I'm OK with "(hardware platform)" or "(game platform)" or "(hack)" or whatever you all decide. Dicklyon (talk) 20:59, 26 January 2014 (UTC) Reply

I ditto Dicklyon. Any disambiguator is alright with me. Red Slash 00:53, 27 January 2014 (UTC) Reply

←)Masem, although you're quite involved, do you mind moving this and closing the discussion? « Ryūkotsusei » 02:42, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, it's reasonable clear which way the concensus is here. --MASEM (t) 03:09, 27 January 2014 (UTC) Reply

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Apology

Separation?

Requested move 17 November 2025

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The result of the move request was: moved. Moved per WP:DIFFCAPS. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vestrian24Bio 12:44, 22 December 2025 (UTC) Reply

Steam Machine (computer) → Steam Machine – Currently the obvious primary topic for the capitalized form only per WP:DIFFCAPS. It will probably end up being split into 2 pages eventually, but right now it's just a single page and requires no disambiguation. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 03:02, 17 November 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. ASUKITE 21:29, 3 December 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath ^talk 10:27, 11 December 2025 (UTC) Reply

• Oppose While "Steam Machine" is redirecting Steam engine, that's clearly going to be the far more important topic that users may be searching for, and the dab on that page will get them back here. Masem (t) 03:09, 17 November 2025 (UTC) Reply

• Yes, but that form of "Steam machine" never uses the capital letters, so WP:DIFFCAPS applies. This is not intended to say that "Steam machine" should redirect here. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 03:22, 17 November 2025 (UTC) Reply

• Support per DIFFCAPS. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 11:47, 17 November 2025 (UTC) Reply

• Support, diffcaps. Popcornfud (talk) 18:02, 17 November 2025 (UTC) Reply

• Support. The DIFFCAPS argument is sufficient here. At Steam machine (disambiguation), there are three other entries with both words capitalized: Heron: Steam Machine , and two non-notable songs. Thanks, 1isall (he/him) (talk | contribs) 23:44, 17 November 2025 (UTC) Reply
• Lukewarm what was the Steam Link / Steam Machine advertised in 2015? In ictu oculi (talk) 20:44, 18 November 2025 (UTC) Reply

• Oppose WP:DIFFCAPS here is less noticeable as it is only a one-character difference, and the steam engine will be much more studied then the gaming console. Annoymous editor (talk) 05:33, 20 November 2025 (UTC) Reply

I think this is a textbook DIFFCAPS case, many of which are just differences of one letter. There is nothing that I can tell which is different about this case in comparison to the others. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:46, 20 November 2025 (UTC) Reply

An additional hatnote at Steam engine would probably be sufficient. Thanks, 1isall (he/him) (talk | contribs) 12:05, 20 November 2025 (UTC) Reply

• Oppose It should be renamed to Steam Machine (first generation). Raync (talk) 00:31, 25 November 2025 (UTC) Reply

Is there a reason you believe it should be exempt from the DIFFCAPS policy? ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:32, 25 November 2025 (UTC) Reply

I agree with the first-generation and second-generation devices being separated. It seems odd to lump them together as they have pretty significant differences, comparable to for example the Switch and Switch 2. I also feel the SteamOS article suffers from a similar problem, although not as much. Ondar111 (talk) 13:38, 25 November 2025 (UTC) Reply

Because there was no common target for the 1st Steam Machines, its not comparable to Switch and Switch 2. Plus a significant lack of much information on them beyond that they were considered failed. Its why if the 2nd gen fixed target units from Valve prove even a bit of success, keeping the 1st gen part here with appropriate adjustments makes for a completely comprehensive background section to the 2nd gen. Masem (t) 13:43, 25 November 2025 (UTC) Reply

It is literally a generation of Steam Machines. The article will be referring to devices within that generation. This is contrasted when generation is synonymous with model. Raync (talk) 01:45, 5 December 2025 (UTC) Reply

• Oppose. Clearly ambiguous, capitalised or not. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:28, 27 November 2025 (UTC) Reply

• Comment WP:DIFFCAPS also says And a well-known concept may still be the primary topic for a variant styling or incorrect spelling, even if a much less well-known subject uses that spelling. Here we have an incorrect spelling of an obscure variant for steam engine.

Joe vom Titan (talk) 17:09, 30 November 2025 (UTC) Reply

Note: WikiProject Linux, WikiProject Computing, and WikiProject Video games have been notified of this discussion. ASUKITE 21:29, 3 December 2025 (UTC) Reply

• Obligatory oppose because I dislike DIFFCAPS and find it a disservice to readers in many cases, and terrible for accessibility. Alternatively, take this as an IAR oppose. We don't have to rigorously enforce every content policy for minor situations like this. -- ferret (talk) 23:27, 3 December 2025 (UTC) Reply

  WP:I just don't like it is not an argument that should be used in title discussions, although your concerns about accessibility are valid. I guess IAR does apply here because the rule seems to be preventing us from improving the encyclopedia. Thanks, 1isall (he/him) (talk | contribs) 16:09, 7 December 2025 (UTC) Reply

  Thanks, I'm certainly not experienced enough of an editor to have known that. <-- This is sarcasm. However, my argument wasn't that I like or dislike the page's title, but that I have a dislike for the policy itself and crucially, why. -- ferret (talk) 16:55, 7 December 2025 (UTC) Reply

  Then I definitely misunderstood your argument. I apologize. Thanks, 1isall (he/him) (talk | contribs) 16:57, 7 December 2025 (UTC) Reply

  The essay is about unargued positions of "I just like it". It is just an essay either way, but it doesn't apply to "I dislike the policy being applied here, because of x and y", which is a reasoned argument. You can't just latch onto the fact someone used the word "like" or "dislike". -- ferret (talk) 16:59, 7 December 2025 (UTC) Reply

• Oppose I think specifying that it is a computer is necessary. Agnieszka653 (talk) 03:22, 5 December 2025 (UTC) Reply

  Disambiguations are purely for navigation, not to inform readers. Otherwise, every page would have one. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:04, 7 December 2025 (UTC) Reply

• Support per WP:DIFFCAPS and WP:NATURAL. A hatnote can help with any confusion. cookiemonster755 ^(talk) 10:11, 9 December 2025 (UTC) Reply

• Support With the new Steam Machine, it seems like it'll be much more notable than the first generation Steam Machines; and given that I strongly think that mutual hatnotes without article name disambiguation would be the best solution. And I personally always just appreciate when WP:DIFFCAPS is applied neatly. (Admittedly I am a bit biased here because I've personally never once heard of a steam engine being called a "steam machine" in all my time reading about early industrial revolution machinery, so I don't think it being the sole primary topic is really justified) Nytpu (talk) 17:53, 9 December 2025 (UTC) Reply
• Oppose Should be moved to Steam Machines (computer platform) (in line with the first gen branding), with a new article on the new Steam Machine at Steam Machine Doublah (talk) 00:13, 10 December 2025 (UTC) Reply

  Move discussions are for current pages, not pages that may or may not exist in the future. This does seem to acknowledge that if there is a sole page it should be at "Steam Machine" though.

  Both are "computer platforms" so a DAB like that wouldn't work very well. More likely it would be disambiguated by year. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:54, 19 December 2025 (UTC) Reply

• Oppose. A disambiguation page is good here. Cfls (talk) 15:20, 11 December 2025 (UTC) Reply

  See WP:NOTAVOTE. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:51, 19 December 2025 (UTC) Reply

• Support per DIFFCAPS. Kiwi2 (talk) 02:08, 20 December 2025 (UTC) Reply

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion

Proposal for splitting

I propose splitting this page into two new pages: Steam Machine (2015) and Steam Machine (2026).

My reason is that whilst the two of them share the same name and are both from Valve, the two products are different things entirely.

I also noticed a previous thread from an unnamed user asking the same thing, and the general consensus was to split. However, that poll was more informal and I want to do something for real.

This section is also large enough to become an article, even if it may be a C-class at most for a little while until its release. TheEpicEgg56 - Doing things since [REDACTED] (talk) 03:59, 5 April 2026 (UTC) Reply

• Oppose See above. Its far too soon to be able to judge if we need to split. Until we actually have an idea of what hardware will be used and an expected release date as to be able to distinguish from the original Steam Machines, they are best kept on the same page, because it is specifically the failure of the first line that led to design choices on the second line, and so that's better captured in a complete comprehensive article. Once its actually out (and who knows if that will even remain the case given the hardware shortages and costs now) then that would be a better time to judge if we should treat the newer sytsem in a separate article. Masem (t) 04:08, 5 April 2026 (UTC) Reply

  https://store.steampowered.com/hardware/steammachine

  " Until we actually have an idea of what hardware will be used" I am not sure why you are pretending the specs haven't been out for weeks Trade (talk) 23:19, 11 May 2026 (UTC) Reply

• Oppose I also agree we should wait for it to come out. It isn't even clear if/when it ever will come out anyway. Catboy69 (talk) 21:07, 27 April 2026 (UTC) Reply

  It's pretty certain the Steam Machine will be releasing. We have seen plenty of images by Valve on the Steam Machine indicating that they are a long way down the production line. Furthermore, this is completely distinct from the previous iteration. if a split is justified between different iPhone models, a split should be warranted for such a major difference. ~2026-28853-82 (talk) 10:42, 13 May 2026 (UTC) Reply

• Wait until there's an actual release date confirmed before splitting. Then Split into Steam Machines (platform) and Steam Machine (computer). Zenphia1 (talk) 19:46, 28 April 2026 (UTC) Reply
• Split Virtually nobody other than Wikipedia insists on treating the two model series as the same interchangable thing. The article should reflect reliable sources, not the opinion of editors--Trade (talk) 23:20, 11 May 2026 (UTC) Reply

  I disagree, so far with what little information that has been mentioned, the previous versions of Steam Machines nearly always come up. Hence why we need to wait until we get an actual announcement and see how the media reacts before deciding to split. Masem (t) 23:57, 11 May 2026 (UTC) Reply

  Announcement of what exactly? Could you be more specific what we are waiting on? The exact launch date? The price? Trade (talk) 01:32, 12 May 2026 (UTC) Reply

  Yes, release date, specs, etc. and see how the media takes that and compares to the original Steam Machine concept. Masem (t) 11:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) Reply

  ...the specs have been out for weeks Trade (talk) 12:53, 13 May 2026 (UTC) Reply

  not the final as-shipped specs. Masem (t) 13:05, 13 May 2026 (UTC) Reply

I might close this discussion soon. It seems like this proposal has a general consensus, but I would like to wait a little longer. TheEpicEgg56 05:20, 23 June 2026 (UTC) Reply

https://store.steampowered.com/hardware/steammachine now? @Masem:--Trade (talk) 17:59, 22 June 2026 (UTC) Reply

yes also given we have early reviews for it. Masem (t) 18:19, 22 June 2026 (UTC) Reply

Yes, I agree we should split it now. Catboy69 (talk) 18:29, 22 June 2026 (UTC) Reply

Yes — RafaelTLS ^talk 18:40, 22 June 2026 (UTC) Reply

Yes --Trade (talk) 19:36, 22 June 2026 (UTC) Reply

• @Zenphia1 and TheEpicEgg56:--Trade (talk) 19:36, 22 June 2026 (UTC) Reply

Proposal for splitting

Rename Steam Machine(s) in context of 2026 Steam Machine release

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Steam Machines. It is unclear what, if anything, should be done with the Steam Machine (computer) Steam Machine (computer) redirect. I suggest a formal WP:RFD nomination to resolve any disagreement. (non-admin closure) —Myceteae ‍🍄‍🟫 (talk) 19:58, 20 July 2026 (UTC) Reply

Steam Machines is a (discontinued) family of small form factor gaming computers, and a marketing term. The concept described by the article is plural, the article body already uses plural form. As it describes multiple devices, with differing names, some not including "Steam Machine" in their name moniker, using Steam Machine does not seem appropriate. I propose renaming it to Steam Machines , which will also align with marketing logotype used on the page and by Valve Corporation.
There also exists Valve Steam Machine (prototype), from 2013, that was released in only 300 units (see section in the article of this talk page).

2026 Steam Machine's current Steam Machine (computer) title is also confusing. I'm not sure what it should be renamed to, I'm open to suggestions, and myself suggest Steam Machine (2026) , or Steam Machine (2026 computer) . I'm against using WP:DIFFCAPS title of just Steam Machine, as steam machine redirects to steam engine.

Steam Machine (capitalized) should probably redirect to steam machine (disambiguation).

It would also be helpful if we could agree on resolving it swifter than in 7 days. If you agree, please state so. Tracerneo (talk) 21:23, 24 June 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. –Maltazarian ^{ᚾparley ${\displaystyle \lor }${\displaystyle \lor }investigateᛅ} 11:52, 2 July 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath ^talk 06:49, 10 July 2026 (UTC) Reply

Note: the second proposal, "Steam Machine (computer) → ?", had to be removed because it conflicted with the earlier request made at Talk:Steam Machine (computer). P.I. Ellsworth , ed. – welcome! – 07:23, 27 June 2026 (UTC) Reply

RFQ: User:Zenphia1, User:162 etc., User:Trade, User:Glacial-minimus, User:Masem, User:Zxcvbnm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tracerneo (talk • contribs) 21:28, 24 June 2026 (UTC) Reply

• Comment for Steam Machine → Steam Machines; Steam Machine (computer) → (2026); Steam Machine (capitalized) → redirect to (disambiguation).

I may add that my rationale against using (computer), is it's unclear if most people think of the device as a computer, gaming device, gaming PC, or game console. Tracerneo (talk) 21:30, 24 June 2026 (UTC) Reply

• moving the original Steam Machine to Steam Machines is reasonable per NPLURAL. There is no need to move the newest form away from just "Steam Machine" as with only three topics with a similar searchable name (the aforementioned steam machines the 2026 device, and the broad idea of the steam engine) that can be handled via hatnote and no need for a separate disambiguation page. Masem (t) 22:11, 24 June 2026 (UTC) Reply

• Support

• Create Steam Machine (disambiguation)
• Steam Machine → Steam Machine (2015)
• Steam Machine (computer) → Steam Machine (2026)

--Trade (talk) 22:13, 24 June 2026 (UTC) Reply

there are only three topics that "steam machine" can refer to, one being a synomym, so no disambiguation page is needed at all. Masem (t) 22:20, 24 June 2026 (UTC) Reply

• Support. Is Steam machine → Steam engine even a particularly necessary redirect. The body doesn't use the term and there's currently only one mainspace article that uses the redirect. According to pageviews, before 2025 steam machine was regularly placing about 9th in the redirect rankings (about 2 views a day compared 1,622 for the main article). It's hard to tell how many of those users were themselves looking for what should be Steam Machines. Recently Steam machine has shot to the top of the redirect rankings, which seems like a pretty good indication most people are looking for the Steam product. My opinion would be:

• Steam Machine (2026) → Steam Machine
• Steam Machine → Steam Machines
• Steam machine → Steam Machine with a hatnote
• Keep Steam machine (disambiguation)

Whipmywillows (talk) 23:34, 24 June 2026 (UTC) Reply

Fine, that's better than my proposal I suppose Trade (talk) 09:06, 25 June 2026 (UTC) Reply

• Oppose This is wrongheaded (as evidenced by the proposer being blocked for disruption). It's confusing the Steam Machine program's devices being called Steam Machines with the entire program being called Steam Machines. I do not believe this is a case of WP:PLURALPT. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:45, 26 June 2026 (UTC) Reply

  Huh? Who's blocked? Trade (talk) 18:07, 26 June 2026 (UTC) Reply

  My read of PLURAL is based on this Things like Maxwell's equations, Legendre polynomials, Chebyshev polynomials, [the] Cauchy–Riemann equations, etc. The topic is naturally the set or family of equations, although in some contexts they may be referred to in the singular. (That is, such a polynomial—for example—is of interest only because it is part of the polynomial sequence called the Chebyshev polynomials, and the sequence is thought of for most purposes as a unit.) Similarly, one is much more likely to mention Arabic numerals than a particular Arabic numeral. The original topic was definitely treated more as the family of Steam Machines, than any singular "Steam Machine", whereas the current 2026 version is about the singular Valve product. Masem (t) 20:11, 26 June 2026 (UTC) Reply

  Ad hominem. The proposal mirrors the discussion happening in Talk:Steam Machine (computer), except correctly doing WP:RMPM. There were issues with editors adding move template (that should only be used by the bot), to articles that were not covered by the move proposal. Tracerneo (talk) 18:36, 26 June 2026 (UTC) Reply

  "Mirrors"? 2 move discussions going on at the same time is disruptive regardless of who created them. That isn't proper policy and since this one was created 2nd while the previous move discussion was in progress, it should probably be speedy closed. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:01, 26 June 2026 (UTC) Reply

  You are confusing move proposal for the article Steam Machine (computer) → Steam Machine (2026 computer)
  with the move proposal for this article Steam Machine → Steam Machines.

  These are two different articles, with two different move proposals. The other page move is of relevance to this one, hence it's mentioned in the template. If the bot messaging format bothers you, express your complaints on User talk:RMCD bot.

  If you want to discuss move of this page, you don't do it from the talk page of another page, without mention on this talk page. Unless you believe it falls under WP:RMNOT, then be bold. Tracerneo (talk) 23:40, 26 June 2026 (UTC) Reply

  This one ALSO includes a discussion about where Steam Machine (computer) should go, and it discusses it in the nomination body. It could be discussed separately for certain, but you made it connected. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:02, 27 June 2026 (UTC) Reply

  @Zxcvbnm: Just as a reminder: even if someone was temporarily blocked, it doesn't necessarily mean their argument (or the request itself) is inherently without merit or performed in bad faith. Keeping arguments related to policies and guidelines will help make the eventual close of this request much clearer and easier. Thanks a million =) --slakr ^{\ talk /} 02:29, 30 June 2026 (UTC) Reply

• I oppose the use of "Steam Machines". This is not at all the common name--Trade (talk) 01:43, 29 June 2026 (UTC) Reply

Relisting comment: Please keep discussion to naming conventions, and avoid formatting the talk page like this. –Maltazarian ^{ᚾparley ${\displaystyle \lor }${\displaystyle \lor }investigateᛅ} 11:52, 2 July 2026 (UTC) Reply

• Support moving to Steam Machines, no reason an article about Steam Machines should be referred to as Steam Machine when there is now another object referred to as just that. Doublah (talk) 20:34, 9 July 2026 (UTC) Reply

Note: WikiProject Linux and WikiProject Computing have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPath ^talk 06:51, 10 July 2026 (UTC) Reply

• Support move to Steam Machines. BLAIXX 03:04, 12 July 2026 (UTC) Reply

• Support moving to Steam Machines. I just saw this page being referenced in Steam Machine (computer) and was confused as to the discrepancy between singular on the page title and plural on the page body.

Also support removing the redirect steam machine → steam engine; personally I've never referred to a steam engine as such, despite their being called that in my native language (pt:máquina a vapor) — but recently I've entered "steam machine" directly on the search bar and been re-directed to steam engine, when what I was looking for was info about the 2026 computer. KiharaSofia (talk) 06:02, 13 July 2026 (UTC) Reply

• Support The 2026 release has made the singular genuinely ambiguous. Time for the title to do what the article already does. Accesscrawl (talk) 14:56, 20 July 2026 (UTC) Reply

Move discussion in progress