Close this issue tracker please. #88

mray commented 2024年01月24日 10:29:49 +01:00

Development happens elsewhere. Please open any kind of issues there.

Development happens elsewhere. Please open any kind of issues there.

n0toose commented 2024年01月24日 17:29:17 +01:00

Hi, it is technically possible for me to disable the issue tracker, however, that will also make all past issues and discussions here inaccessible. We could also just Archive the repository, which would keep the issue tracker available but disable the creation of new issues and pull requests.

I understand that you are communicating a boundary - no development here. In order for that boundary to be met as good as it can - without violating other boundaries now and in the future and frustrating you again, I have to ask you a few questions.

• Do you want to step down and not have to respond to the issues here - as in, do you consider your work on this repository and with Codeberg in general as "done"?
• Are you sure that you want to make older issues permanently inaccessible? (Is archiving good enough for you?)
• Do you want nobody to touch this repository at all ever again?
• Would you be OK with people making changes as they see fit without asking you first? If so / not, what do you not want to be touched under any circumstances? (e.g. Is fixing typos in the README OK?)

It's your effort (and I understand that you must frustrated because other contributors did not use it as you wished for two years), but I want to respect it as much as possible.

Hi, it is technically possible for me to disable the issue tracker, however, that will also make **all** past issues and discussions here inaccessible. We could also just **Archive** the repository, which would keep the issue tracker available but disable the creation of new issues and pull requests. I understand that you are communicating a boundary - no development here. In order for that boundary to be met as good as it can - without violating other boundaries now and in the future and frustrating you again, I have to ask you a few questions. - Do you want to step down and *not* have to respond to the issues here - as in, do you consider your work on this repository and with Codeberg in general as "done"? - Are you sure that you want to make older issues permanently inaccessible? (Is ***archiving*** good enough for you?) - Do you want nobody to touch this repository at all ever again? - Would you be OK with people making changes as they see fit without asking you first? If so / not, what do you **not** want to be touched under any circumstances? (e.g. Is fixing typos in the README OK?) It's your effort (and I understand that you must frustrated because other contributors did not use it as you wished for two years), but I want to respect it as much as possible.

mray commented 2024年01月26日 09:34:40 +01:00

Thank you for such a sympathetic response.

I do not want to step down and consider things as "done" and not look back.
But you have to ask everybody involved if they value having a designer among the contributors. For the past few years some individuals seemed to be welcoming and open to the idea to let design be one part of what is going on, which is lovely! The majority of development and contributions seems to evolve around people just hacking around from time to time and not be bothered with what implications that has on design. I guess nobody is to blame for that, it's just the reality of a project like Codeberg.

I also do not want to step up and consider it my work to permanently fight for recognition in a seemingly intangible crowd that just does not care. That is exhausting me in a way that makes me want to close that chapter and be done with it.
I also do not want to be the kind of designer most developers like to imagine: a fancy "creative" person sprinkling magic eye-candy dust on assets, and not creating any further issues, starting discussions, questioning their work or be part of planing things before they happen.

So taking all this into consideration i think it is best if you just remove all ties from me to this issue tracker. I do not want to care anymore about who touches what and why and how and when. Just keep doing what you think is best without me getting notifications about issues that might pop up in my UI for whatever reason. At this point it looks like that eventually is the case when i just close this issue and nobody else creates a new one after that.

Lets test that.

Thank you for such a sympathetic response. I do not want to step down and consider things as "done" and not look back. But you have to ask everybody involved if they value having a designer among the contributors. For the past few years some individuals seemed to be welcoming and open to the idea to let design be one part of what is going on, which is lovely! The majority of development and contributions seems to evolve around people just hacking around from time to time and not be bothered with what implications that has on design. I guess nobody is to blame for that, it's just the reality of a project like Codeberg. I also do not want to step up and consider it my work to permanently fight for recognition in a seemingly intangible crowd that just does not care. That is exhausting me in a way that makes me want to close that chapter and be done with it. I also do not want to be the kind of designer most developers like to imagine: a fancy "creative" person sprinkling magic eye-candy dust on assets, and not creating any further issues, starting discussions, questioning their work or be part of planing things before they happen. So taking all this into consideration i think it is best if you just remove all ties from me to this issue tracker. I do not want to care anymore about who touches what and why and how and when. Just keep doing what you think is best without me getting notifications about issues that might pop up in my UI for whatever reason. At this point it looks like that eventually is the case when i just close this issue and nobody else creates a new one after that. Lets test that.

n0toose commented 2024年01月26日 11:21:52 +01:00

Just keep doing what you think is best without me getting notifications about issues that might pop up in my UI for whatever reason

I do not want to care anymore about who touches what and why and how and when.

Point taken, I hope I'll do things right from my end. I would recommend unwatching this repository to not receive any notifications. As far as I am concerned, there is no expectation of you to continue participating and understand the pressure that comes with the open issue tracker "conditioning" you to feel pressured like that. So, I will send one last message to explain what I will do based on what you just told me, give time to respond for the event that I got something wrong and then archive the repository.

What I plan to do:

• This weekend, I will archive this repository and all of these units later today, and we will push metadata-related changes by temporarily unarchiving this repository and rearchiving it if needed. This will keep past discussions available, but you won't get any notifications.
• Pin this issue beforehand to make it clear that this is not the place so that people won't reach out to you off-platform either.
• As Otto said in another channel, we "could just open design issues directly in the repositories involved", and we should just do that.
• I do not plan to reach out for questions regarding the guidelines or their implementation in different web-based services, under the assumption that the person implementing these services should be responsible for doing their own thing - I/we should nudge them instead.
• Make myself available if anything else occurs.
• Try to make an example out of this situation so as to say "what Codeberg should avoid doing with contributors in the future".
• I also thought of having the non-profit agree to a "binding promise" of officially recognizing a set of design guidelines as designated by the non-profit and vowing "not deviating away from the provided guidelines to the best extent possible, unless if accessibility (or something else - I can't remember) is involved, and documenting a reasoning properly or acknowledging that this is a problem and that this compromise was taken", but I need to work out the logistics / I do not have a flawless plan at the moment that I can just go for; if that happens, the text will be shared in advance of the Assembly.

What I would be willing to do, but you do not seem to wish because """it's too late for that""":

• Raise issues with avoidable violations (e.g. wrong color schemes when it's technically possible to change it) to you ("because you are also a contributor and you need to know about these things")
• Inform you about "creative freedoms" taken with the design guidelines and the "why it happened" / "why it will happen".

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The material is CC0 and as long as the guidelines are dealt with, there is no issue with producing merch, marketing material, etc.
The current design is "permanent" but not necessarily "permanent permanent" (as in, for 80 years or so) - we could make changes in the future (but I understand that the problems right now are, like, text on the logo or something).

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a fancy "creative" person sprinkling magic eye-candy dust on assets, and not creating any further issues, starting discussions, questioning their work or be part of planing things before they happen.

Personally, I think that past contributors - no matter if code or design - should be part of planning things before they happen and I don't think that people that effectively just stay in the background are helpful. Perspectives are too valuable for that - especially when offered "pro bono" - and need to be treated with the corresponding amount of respect.

But yeah, I also did think I was super annoying too when I joined because of not receiving reactions or even an acknowledgement to the things I said as if nobody cared (and nearly quit twice) or feeling like a nuisance when I had a problem with the way someone decided to "just do something", so I 100% get this people problem and it's a work-in-progress.

> Just keep doing what you think is best without me getting notifications about issues that might pop up in my UI for whatever reason > I do not want to care anymore about who touches what and why and how and when. Point taken, I hope I'll do things right from my end. I would recommend unwatching this repository to not receive any notifications. As far as I am concerned, there is no expectation of you to continue participating and understand the pressure that comes with the open issue tracker "conditioning" you to feel pressured like that. So, I will send one last message to explain what I will do based on what you just told me, give time to respond for the event that I got something wrong and then archive the repository. What I plan to do: - **This weekend**, I will archive this repository and all of these units later today, and we will push metadata-related changes by temporarily unarchiving this repository and rearchiving it if needed. This will keep past discussions available, but you won't get any notifications. - **Pin this issue** **beforehand** to make it clear that **this is not the place** so that people won't reach out to you off-platform either. - As Otto said in another channel, we "could just open design issues directly in the repositories involved", and we should just do that. - I do not plan to reach out for questions regarding the guidelines or their implementation in different web-based services, under the assumption that the person implementing these services should be responsible for doing their own thing - I/we should nudge them instead. - Make myself available if anything else occurs. - Try to make an example out of this situation so as to say "what Codeberg should avoid doing with contributors in the future". - I also thought of having the non-profit agree to a "binding promise" of officially recognizing a set of design guidelines as designated by the non-profit and vowing "not deviating away from the provided guidelines to the best extent possible, unless if accessibility (or something else - I can't remember) is involved, and documenting a reasoning properly or acknowledging that this is a problem and that this compromise was taken", but I need to work out the logistics / I do not have a flawless plan at the moment that I can just go for; if that happens, the text will be shared in advance of the Assembly. What I would be willing to do, but you do not seem to wish because """it's too late for that""": - Raise issues with avoidable violations (e.g. wrong color schemes when it's technically possible to change it) to you ("because you are also a contributor and you need to know about these things") - Inform you about "creative freedoms" taken with the design guidelines and the "why it happened" / "why it will happen". --- The material is CC0 and as long as the guidelines are dealt with, there is no issue with producing merch, marketing material, etc. The current design is "permanent" but not necessarily "permanent permanent" (as in, for 80 years or so) - we could make changes in the future (but I understand that the problems right now are, like, text on the logo or something). --- > a fancy "creative" person sprinkling magic eye-candy dust on assets, and not creating any further issues, starting discussions, questioning their work or be part of planing things before they happen. Personally, I think that past contributors - no matter if code or design - should be part of planning things before they happen and I don't think that people that effectively just stay in the background are helpful. Perspectives are too valuable for that - especially when offered "pro bono" - and need to be treated with the corresponding amount of respect. But yeah, I also did think I was super annoying too when I joined because of not receiving reactions or even an acknowledgement to the things I said as if nobody cared (and nearly quit twice) or feeling like a nuisance when I had a problem with the way someone decided to "just do something", so I 100% get this people problem and it's a work-in-progress.