Question about the spam incident #1892

ethical_haquer commented 2025年04月26日 04:01:26 +02:00

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@n0toose, @fnetX, @earl-warren
Since you locked the original issue regarding this question due to "trolling" and "necro posting", and seeing as how the question there was not answered, I have decided to open a new issue. I understand that you may choose to close this one as well, but if you do, please at least give a convincing reason to do so.

@earl-warren wrote in #1798 (comment):

Codeberg has been very transparent about the whole incident. The blog post shows that a lot of time was spent to explain what happened, what measures were taken and why.

According to the blog post, there is no doubt that the attacks were from the far-right (bold and italics mine):

Codeberg is currently suffering from hate campaigns due to far-right forces

Far-right forces endanger free/libre software projects

We will not be discouraged in our fight against far-right ideologies. They are currently on the rise in many parts of the world, and we believe it is important to protect all kinds of marginalized groups. However, if you believe this does not affect your project, you are wrong. Far-right forces pose a threat to all of us.

Don't be fooled if right-wing forces promise to "promote open source" in their political agenda. This has nothing to do with the values of our movement!

However, the blog post does not explain how the attacks were from the far-right.

Thus far, the answer to the original question is:

• A comment containing only a link to a news article, which instead of clarifying that the attacks were from the far-right, doesn't even mention the far-right, instead calling them "Anonymous attacks".

• A comment which states that Codeberg knew it was the far-right because the attacks differed from the "scriptkiddy" spam that they were used to - even going so far as to say: "It's not a conclusion, it's a fact". It does not provide any evidence that the far-right was involved.

So the question has not been answered, was closed twice, and is now locked.
Currently, instead of providing any evidence whatsoever that the far-right was involved, you are stone-walling.

@earl-warren wrote in #1798 (comment):

This discussion was created by an account whose purpose is quite evidently exclusively for the purpose of trolling on this matter. It was not used for anything else. I propose the discussion is locked.

Please stay on topic.

### Comment @n0toose, @fnetX, @earl-warren Since you locked the [original issue regarding this question](https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/1798) due to "trolling" and "necro posting", and seeing as how the question there was not answered, I have decided to open a new issue. I understand that you may choose to close this one as well, but if you do, please at least give a convincing reason to do so. @earl-warren wrote in https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/1798#issuecomment-3088148: > Codeberg has been very transparent about the whole incident. The [blog post](https://blog.codeberg.org/we-stay-strong-against-hate-and-hatred.html) shows that a lot of time was spent to explain what happened, what measures were taken and why. According to the [blog post](https://blog.codeberg.org/we-stay-strong-against-hate-and-hatred.html), there is no doubt that the attacks were from the far-right (bold and italics mine): > Codeberg is currently suffering from hate campaigns due to **_far-right forces_** > **_Far-right forces_** endanger free/libre software projects > We will not be discouraged in our fight against **_far-right ideologies_**. They are currently on the rise in many parts of the world, and we believe it is important to protect all kinds of marginalized groups. However, if you believe this does not affect your project, you are wrong. **_Far-right forces_** pose a threat to all of us. > Don't be fooled if **_right-wing forces_** promise to "promote open source" in their political agenda. This has nothing to do with the values of our movement! However, the blog post does not explain how the attacks were from the far-right. Thus far, the answer to the [original question](https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/1798#issue-1015550) is: - A [comment](https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/1798#issuecomment-2850596) containing only a link to a [news article](https://www.heise.de/en/news/Codeberg-Spam-and-DoS-attacks-on-non-commercial-development-platform-10281505.html), which instead of clarifying that the attacks were from the far-right, doesn't even mention the far-right, instead calling them "Anonymous attacks". - A [comment](https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/1798#issuecomment-2855017) which states that Codeberg knew it was the far-right because the attacks differed from the "scriptkiddy" spam that they were used to - even going so far as to say: "It's not a conclusion, it's a fact". It does not provide any evidence that the far-right was involved. So the question has not been answered, was closed twice, and is now locked. Currently, instead of providing any evidence whatsoever that the far-right was involved, you are [stone-walling](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewalling). @earl-warren wrote in https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/1798#issuecomment-3088148: > This discussion was created by [an account](https://codeberg.org/EndlessArtist) whose purpose is quite evidently exclusively for the purpose of trolling on this matter. It was not used for anything else. I propose the discussion is locked. Please [stay on topic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem).

camelia commented 2025年04月26日 04:51:47 +02:00

The attacks that the blog mentions are not only the spam incident, but also many hateful comments/opened issues (even before the massive spam attack), mainly targeting repositories maintained by trans/leftists people, or project supportive of trans rights.
During the "spam incident", users received blatantly racist messages in their notifications and email.
And after the blog post was published by Codeberg - in which they say that they will stay strong against far-right - a massive DDoS hit their servers.

what more do you need?

The attacks that the blog mentions are not only the spam incident, but also many hateful comments/opened issues (even before the massive spam attack), mainly targeting repositories maintained by trans/leftists people, or project supportive of trans rights. During the "spam incident", users received blatantly racist messages in their notifications and email. And after the blog post was published by Codeberg - in which they say that they will stay strong against far-right - a massive DDoS hit their servers. what more do you need?

camelia commented 2025年04月26日 04:55:57 +02:00

Also, I'd say that if the issue was already locked and closed, it would be best not to re-open it.

I think you're missing the point of the article. The important part is not who was behind the attack, it's that far-right ideologies endanger the FOSS community, and that Codeberg will continue to fight such ideologies.

Also, I'd say that if the issue was already locked and closed, it would be best not to re-open it. I think you're missing the point of the article. The important part is not who was behind the attack, it's that far-right ideologies endanger the FOSS community, and that Codeberg will continue to fight such ideologies.

earl-warren commented 2025年04月26日 08:50:51 +02:00

Please stop @ethical_haquer this is trolling.

@moderation

Please stop @ethical_haquer this is trolling. @moderation

ethical_haquer commented 2025年04月26日 14:36:25 +02:00

@camelia wrote in #1892 (comment):

The attacks that the blog mentions are not only the spam incident, but also many hateful comments/opened issues (even before the massive spam attack), mainly targeting repositories maintained by trans/leftists people, or project supportive of trans rights. During the "spam incident", users received blatantly racist messages in their notifications and email. And after the blog post was published by Codeberg - in which they say that they will stay strong against far-right - a massive DDoS hit their servers.

what more do you need?

Once again, none of this is evidence that "far-right forces" were behind the attacks.
What I would like to see is evidence that proves the far-right was involved.

@camelia wrote in #1892 (comment):

Also, I'd say that if the issue was already locked and closed, it would be best not to re-open it.

The issue was closed and locked, but the question was not answered. Also, the reasons they gave for closing the issue were not very convincing, to say the least.

I think you're missing the point of the article. The important part is not who was behind the attack, it's that far-right ideologies endanger the FOSS community, and that Codeberg will continue to fight such ideologies.

Really? The first sentence of the blog post says otherwise (bold and italics mine):

Codeberg is currently suffering from hate campaigns due to far-right forces, and so are our users.

I hope we can all agree that it's not right to slander people without any concrete evidence.

@camelia wrote in https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/1892#issuecomment-3970424: > The attacks that the blog mentions are not only the spam incident, but also many hateful comments/opened issues (even before the massive spam attack), mainly targeting repositories maintained by trans/leftists people, or project supportive of trans rights. During the "spam incident", users received blatantly racist messages in their notifications and email. And after the blog post was published by Codeberg - in which they say that they will stay strong against far-right - a massive DDoS hit their servers. > > what more do you need? Once again, none of this is evidence that "far-right forces" were behind the attacks. What I would like to see is evidence that proves the far-right was involved. @camelia wrote in https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/1892#issuecomment-3970475: > Also, I'd say that if the issue was already locked and closed, it would be best not to re-open it. The issue was closed and locked, but the question was not answered. Also, the reasons they gave for closing the issue were not very convincing, to say the least. > I think you're missing the point of the article. The important part is not who was behind the attack, it's that far-right ideologies endanger the FOSS community, and that Codeberg will continue to fight such ideologies. Really? The first sentence of the blog post says otherwise (bold and italics mine): > Codeberg is currently suffering from hate campaigns **_due to far-right forces_**, and so are our users. I hope we can all agree that it's not right to slander people without any concrete evidence.

ethical_haquer commented 2025年04月26日 14:41:26 +02:00

@earl-warren wrote in #1892 (comment):

Please stop @ethical_haquer this is trolling.

@moderation

Asking someone to back up their claims is not trolling.
If there was something I said that offended you, please let me know.

@earl-warren wrote in https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/1892#issuecomment-3971141: > Please stop @ethical_haquer this is trolling. > > @moderation > Asking someone to back up their claims is not trolling. If there was something I said that offended you, please let me know.

camelia commented 2025年04月26日 14:54:54 +02:00

it's not right to slander people without any concrete evidence.

To slander people? We are taking about far right groups, not private individuals. Just a reminder, those very same groups are hurting and discriminating people for no reason.

The way you are looking for "proofs" even though there are many already makes it look like you are however defending those groups...

> it's not right to slander people without any concrete evidence. To slander people? We are taking about far right groups, not private individuals. Just a reminder, those very same groups are **hurting** and discriminating people for no reason. The way you are looking for "proofs" even though there are many already makes it look like you are however defending those groups...

ethical_haquer commented 2025年04月26日 15:05:24 +02:00

@camelia wrote in #1892 (comment):

it's not right to slander people without any concrete evidence.

To slander people? We are taking about far right groups, not private individuals.

Nor is it right to slander groups without any concrete evidence.

It feels however like you are defending those groups...

The truth is the truth. I hope that I would defend any group from false statements.

@camelia wrote in https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/1892#issuecomment-3972731: > > it's not right to slander people without any concrete evidence. > > To slander people? We are taking about far right groups, not private individuals. Nor is it right to slander _groups_ without any concrete evidence. > It feels however like you are defending those groups... The truth is the truth. I hope that I would defend _any_ group from false statements.

ethical_haquer commented 2025年04月26日 15:13:34 +02:00

@camelia wrote in #1892 (comment):

Just a reminder, those very same groups are hurting and discriminating people for no reason.

Does that change the truth?

The way you are looking for "proofs" even though there are many already makes it look like you are however defending those groups...

I haven't found a single "proof". Are you talking about this?

It's not a conclusion, it's a fact evidenced by what kind of attacks we have observed on the platform, and which differs from "scriptkiddy" spam that we are used to.

@camelia wrote in https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/1892#issuecomment-3972731: > Just a reminder, those very same groups are **hurting** and discriminating people for no reason. Does that [change the truth](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_standard)? > The way you are looking for "proofs" even though there are many already makes it look like you are however defending those groups... I haven't found a single "proof". Are you talking about [this](https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/1798#issuecomment-2855017)? > It's not a conclusion, it's a fact evidenced by what kind of attacks we have observed on the platform, and which differs from "scriptkiddy" spam that we are used to.

camelia commented 2025年04月26日 16:20:29 +02:00

The truth is the truth. I hope that I would defend any group from false statements.

That's disgusting. We are talking about far-right groups here.

@moderation

> The truth is the truth. I hope that I would defend _any_ group from false statements. That's disgusting. We are talking about far-right groups here. @moderation

ethical_haquer commented 2025年04月26日 16:30:38 +02:00

@camelia wrote in #1892 (comment):

The truth is the truth. I hope that I would defend any group from false statements.

That's disgusting. We are talking about far-right groups here.

@moderation

So since you despise the far-right, you think it doesn't matter if the statements Codeberg made were true or not?
I'm not sure I'm understanding. 😕

@camelia wrote in https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/1892#issuecomment-3973316: > > The truth is the truth. I hope that I would defend _any_ group from false statements. > > That's disgusting. We are talking about far-right groups here. > > @moderation So since you despise the far-right, you think it doesn't matter if the statements Codeberg made were true or not? I'm not sure I'm understanding. 😕

camelia commented 2025年04月26日 16:41:33 +02:00

So since you despise the far-right, you think it doesn't matter if the statements Codeberg made were true or not?

Yes. Even if they weren't true, I would have no problem with that.

Now please stop this discussion, it's going nowhere

> So since you despise the far-right, you think it doesn't matter if the statements Codeberg made were true or not? Yes. Even if they weren't true, I would have no problem with that. Now please stop this discussion, it's going nowhere

Gusted commented 2025年04月26日 17:37:48 +02:00

Since you locked the original issue regarding this question due to "trolling" and "necro posting",

It was locked because it was resolved. Therefore this matter is closed, do not open any new issues about this.

> Since you locked the original issue regarding this question due to "trolling" and "necro posting", It was locked because it was resolved. Therefore this matter is closed, do not open any new issues about this.