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Let Donate website support cryptocurrency payment, especially adding Monero(XMR) payment method, this will make codeberg get more donate from crypto, make codeberg developing better

### Comment Let [Donate](https://donate.codeberg.org/) website support cryptocurrency payment, especially adding Monero(XMR) payment method, this will make codeberg get more donate from crypto, make codeberg developing better

FWIW I personally think cryptocurrencies should not be accepted for Codeberg, nor promoted. It is a purely speculative currency with globally negative societal and environmental impact. I boycott all of them.

FWIW I personally think cryptocurrencies should not be accepted for Codeberg, nor promoted. It is a purely speculative currency with globally negative societal and environmental impact. I boycott all of them.

@earl-warren This is just your personal bias, Bitcoin alone is already the seventh largest asset in the world right now, and if you think that’s negative, silver and pretty much all stocks are negative too

Cryptocurrencies are almost legal currency in my country, crypto ATMs everywhere, and 90% of stores accept Binance payments

From another perspective, I believe that some people use Codeberg instead of Github because it is open source and privacy-focused, and Monero (XMR) is also privacy-focused, which can attract more donations from privacy-focused people

Other famous companies such as Mullvad, Proton, Tuta, IVPN1, etc. all support cryptocurrency purchases or donations, and some even support cash by mail

@earl-warren This is just your personal bias, Bitcoin alone is already the seventh largest asset in the world right now, and if you think that’s negative, silver and pretty much all stocks are negative too Cryptocurrencies are almost legal currency in my country, crypto ATMs everywhere, and 90% of stores accept Binance payments From another perspective, I believe that some people use Codeberg instead of Github because it is open source and privacy-focused, and Monero (XMR) is also privacy-focused, which can attract more donations from privacy-focused people Other famous companies such as Mullvad, Proton, Tuta, IVPN1, etc. all support cryptocurrency purchases or donations, and some even support cash by mail

@earl-warren Any asset is inherently a speculative currency, you can short the us dollar, long the gold, use leverage to buy treasuries or funds, why do you only think cryptocurrencies a negative impact? According to you, finance is essentially wrong, isn't it? Most people who hate cryptocurrency are old people who are unwilling to accept new things. They don't understand so they hate everything, including you. If you know more about the decentralization of cryptocurrency and the advantages of blockchain, you will find that this is the only way to replace traditional finance, and it is also the best way known to the world. The world is doing this, BlackRock holds 574000+ Bitcoins, and the United States has adopted cryptocurrency as a strategic reserve asset. This all proves the absolute legality and benefits of cryptocurrency. Codeberg is located in Germany, which is part of the European Union. I have been to Germany and there are many cryptocurrency ATMs there. It is enough to illustrate the cryptocurrency availability. Add cryptocurrency payment donate is the best way to let Codeberg better

@earl-warren Any asset is inherently a speculative currency, you can short the us dollar, long the gold, use leverage to buy treasuries or funds, why do you only think cryptocurrencies a negative impact? According to you, finance is essentially wrong, isn't it? Most people who hate cryptocurrency are old people who are unwilling to accept new things. They don't understand so they hate everything, including you. If you know more about the decentralization of cryptocurrency and the advantages of blockchain, you will find that this is the only way to replace traditional finance, and it is also the best way known to the world. The world is doing this, BlackRock holds 574000+ Bitcoins, and the United States has adopted cryptocurrency as a strategic reserve asset. This all proves the absolute legality and benefits of cryptocurrency. Codeberg is located in Germany, which is part of the European Union. I have been to Germany and there are many cryptocurrency ATMs there. It is enough to illustrate the cryptocurrency availability. Add cryptocurrency payment donate is the best way to let Codeberg better

This is just your personal bias,

I would say it is my personal opinion rather than bias. But yes, it is personal.

Any asset is inherently a speculative currency, you can short the us dollar, long the gold, use leverage to buy treasuries or funds, why do you only think cryptocurrencies a negative impact?

It is possible to speculate on anything as long as you find someone willing and a legal context that allows it. I'm fine with that as a general principle. Cryptocurrencies are unique in that they have no useful purpose other than speculation.

This all proves the absolute legality and benefits of cryptocurrency.

Here lies the most problematic societal aspect of cryptocurrencies. Since they are purely speculative, 100% of their value relies on how much people believe that it will not vanish overnight. But the reality is that they could and there has been recurring episodes similar to Mt Gox in the past decade. When some individual looses a unit of cryptocurrency because they were robbed of it or because it just cease to exist, they have no recourse.

No cryptocurrency is guaranteed by a nation state: some people would have you believe it is the case but none of them will show you proof, because there are none. The best they can provide are citations of other people voicing the same unfounded opinion.

If Codeberg was to accept cryptocurrencies, it would indirectly legitimize them and I think (again personal opinion) it would be harmful to society (in a minor way but still, why go there?).

> This is just your personal bias, I would say it is my personal opinion rather than bias. But yes, it is personal. > Any asset is inherently a speculative currency, you can short the us dollar, long the gold, use leverage to buy treasuries or funds, why do you only think cryptocurrencies a negative impact? It is possible to speculate on anything as long as you find someone willing and a legal context that allows it. I'm fine with that as a general principle. Cryptocurrencies are unique in that they have no useful purpose other than speculation. > This all proves the absolute legality and benefits of cryptocurrency. Here lies the most problematic societal aspect of cryptocurrencies. Since they are purely speculative, 100% of their value relies on how much people believe that it will not vanish overnight. But the reality is that they could and there has been recurring episodes similar to [Mt Gox](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mt._Gox#Bankruptcy;_stolen_bitcoin_(2014%E2%80%93present)) in the past decade. When some individual looses a unit of cryptocurrency because they were robbed of it or because it just cease to exist, they have no recourse. No cryptocurrency is guaranteed by a nation state: some people would have you believe it is the case but none of them will show you proof, because there are none. The best they can provide are citations of other people voicing the same unfounded opinion. If Codeberg was to accept cryptocurrencies, it would indirectly legitimize them and I think (again personal opinion) it would be harmful to society (in a minor way but still, why go there?).

If Codeberg was to accept cryptocurrencies, it would indirectly legitimize them and I think (again personal opinion) it would be harmful to society (in a minor way but still, why go there?).

Totally agree. I’d add the inverse is true as well: it would delegitimise Codeberg if cryptocurrencies were accepted. There’s good reason why eg Wikimedia and (even!) Mozilla have stopped accepting Cryptocurrencies as donations

> If Codeberg was to accept cryptocurrencies, it would indirectly legitimize them and I think (again personal opinion) it would be harmful to society (in a minor way but still, why go there?). Totally agree. I’d add the inverse is true as well: it would delegitimise Codeberg if cryptocurrencies were accepted. There’s good reason why eg Wikimedia and (even!) Mozilla have stopped accepting Cryptocurrencies as donations

@earl-warren As the most valuable asset in the world, gold has no value except as decoration, 100% of their value relies on how much people believe that it will not vanish overnight

Cryptocurrencies and gold, rely on consensus and we believe they have value so they will exist, cryptocurrency has been legalized as a universal currency. You can spend Bitcoin at will in El Salvador, and this will slowly cover the whole world

The disadvantages of any cryptocurrency are the same as in other assets, just a bit different. There is no denying that the overall market capitalization of cryptocurrencies in the world is huge. Seriously, people who are still against cryptocurrencies in 2025 are as stupid as being against the electric light in 1900

Some cryptocurrencies may disappear, some are scams, some have bugs, but most work fine, and when you think cryptocurrencies are speculative look at USDT and USDC, they are exactly USD, and EURC, etc., they are exactly equal to fiat currencies

Cryptocurrencies are no worse than traditional banks using a multi-signature wallet or stored on a large exchange comparession security. In fact, if cryptocurrencies are really unreliable, why does BlackRock own 574,000+ Bitcoins? If you live in the EU area, I'm sure your national government also owns cryptocurrencies, and if you think Codeberg's acceptance of cryptocurrencies is harmful to society, then you should first protest against the European Commission, why they have "socially harmful" currencies

As your personal opinion, of course I can't change your opinion, but I as the world's mainstream opinion to said these, I have no personal opinion, if Paypal can be an option, cryptocurrency also, according to market cap, cryptocurrency is much more reliable than this American company

@earl-warren As the most valuable asset in the world, gold has no value except as decoration, 100% of their value relies on how much people believe that it will not vanish overnight Cryptocurrencies and gold, rely on consensus and we believe they have value so they will exist, cryptocurrency has been legalized as a universal currency. You can spend Bitcoin at will in El Salvador, and this will slowly cover the whole world The disadvantages of any cryptocurrency are the same as in other assets, just a bit different. There is no denying that the overall market capitalization of cryptocurrencies in the world is huge. Seriously, people who are still against cryptocurrencies in 2025 are as stupid as being against the electric light in 1900 Some cryptocurrencies may disappear, some are scams, some have bugs, but most work fine, and when you think cryptocurrencies are speculative look at USDT and USDC, they are exactly USD, and EURC, etc., they are exactly equal to fiat currencies Cryptocurrencies are no worse than traditional banks using a multi-signature wallet or stored on a large exchange comparession security. In fact, if cryptocurrencies are really unreliable, why does BlackRock own 574,000+ Bitcoins? If you live in the EU area, I'm sure your national government also owns cryptocurrencies, and if you think Codeberg's acceptance of cryptocurrencies is harmful to society, then you should first protest against the European Commission, why they have "socially harmful" currencies As your personal opinion, of course I can't change your opinion, but I as the world's mainstream opinion to said these, I have no personal opinion, if Paypal can be an option, cryptocurrency also, according to market cap, cryptocurrency is much more reliable than this American company

@gedankenstuecke What's wrong with cryptocurrencies? You're totally biased, YES, a US company with a market cap of 69.22 billion (Paypal) is MORE RELIABLE THAN A 1.71 Trillion cryptocurrency uh? Don't you find it ridiculous?

Look at Mullvad, they fully support cryptocurrencies, and as nonprofit companies, their finances are much better than Codeberg, which is based on having 10+ times the size of their employees.

@gedankenstuecke What's wrong with cryptocurrencies? You're totally biased, YES, a US company with a market cap of 69.22 billion (Paypal) is MORE RELIABLE THAN A 1.71 Trillion cryptocurrency uh? Don't you find it ridiculous? Look at Mullvad, they fully support cryptocurrencies, and as nonprofit companies, their finances are much better than Codeberg, which is based on having 10+ times the size of their employees.

Proton has been widely criticised for their crypto wallet (and generative AI, and their CEO being a far-right supporter).

Either way, I made my point and don’t need to argue more with a true believer.

Proton has been widely criticised for their crypto wallet (and generative AI, and their CEO being a far-right supporter). Either way, I made my point and don’t need to argue more with a true believer.

Your point of view is bad, at least irrational and non-objective, and as the Author of this issue, I will support cryptocurrencies from an absolutely rational and objective perspective, if you or someone else really thinks cryptocurrencies are bad, please explain why in detail, rather than saying nonsense

The problem you are talking about is also exist in stocks or fiat currencies, it's even worse on Paypal, which has very bad privacy, and there are many cases where funds are locked up for unknown reasons. Compared with cryptocurrencies, Paypal is generally worse

Your point of view is bad, at least irrational and non-objective, and as the Author of this issue, I will support cryptocurrencies from an absolutely rational and objective perspective, if you or someone else really thinks cryptocurrencies are bad, please explain why in detail, rather than saying nonsense The problem you are talking about is also exist in stocks or fiat currencies, it's even worse on Paypal, which has very bad privacy, and there are many cases where funds are locked up for unknown reasons. Compared with cryptocurrencies, Paypal is generally worse

@moderation this discussion becomes heated, please keep an eye on it.

Your point of view is bad, at least irrational and non-objective [...] saying nonsense

This is an unfair characterization of what was written.

@moderation this discussion becomes heated, please keep an eye on it. > Your point of view is bad, at least irrational and non-objective [...] saying nonsense This is an unfair characterization of what was written.

I will support cryptocurrencies from an absolutely rational and objective perspective

I provided a link for fact checking with my statement (Mt Gox). The reasoning you wrote lacks references to be called objective. You are entitled to your opinion about cryptocurrencies and it is fine that it is not based on a rational reasoning. There really is no need to claim otherwise.

> I will support cryptocurrencies from an absolutely rational and objective perspective I provided a link for fact checking with my statement (Mt Gox). The reasoning you wrote lacks references to be called objective. You are entitled to your opinion about cryptocurrencies and it is fine that it is not based on a rational reasoning. There really is no need to claim otherwise.

@earl-warren Paypal very sucks, In any case, open source and decentralized cryptocurrencies are better than Paypal. Considering the liquidity of market cap, cryptocurrencies are also the best choice after fiat currency.

Any asset or even anything has the possibility of being stolen or lost, Mt Gox doesn't say much, the security of anything depends on how you use it, not expecting it to be perfect, and considering the market cap and liquidity of cryptocurrencies (this is available in any search engine), it is the second only to fiat currency at present and the future currency to replace fiat currency (predicted by market capital growth rate)

Opposing cryptocurrency is opposing money itself. I have listed many advantages and characteristics of cryptocurrencies above. You haven't listed them all to refute me. This means that you recognize some of them, right? The market cap can't be faked. You can find the myth of cryptocurrency on any famous websites. The numbers will tell you that you are wrong.

@earl-warren [Paypal](https://tosdr.org/en/service/230) very sucks, In any case, open source and decentralized cryptocurrencies are better than Paypal. Considering the liquidity of market cap, cryptocurrencies are also the best choice after fiat currency. Any asset or even anything has the possibility of being stolen or lost, Mt Gox doesn't say much, the security of anything depends on how you use it, not expecting it to be perfect, and considering the [market cap](https://companiesmarketcap.com/assets-by-market-cap) and [liquidity](https://coinatmradar.com/country/80/bitcoin-atm-germany) of cryptocurrencies (this is available in any search engine), it is the second only to fiat currency at present and the future currency to replace fiat currency (predicted by market capital growth rate) Opposing cryptocurrency is opposing money itself. I have listed many advantages and characteristics of cryptocurrencies above. You haven't listed them all to refute me. This means that you recognize some of them, right? The market cap can't be faked. You can find the myth of cryptocurrency on any famous websites. The numbers will tell you that you are wrong.

The discussion is becoming moot, Codeberg owners needs to react as soon as possible, instead of me being here to teach people why electricity is better than oil. Even if I don't raise the issue, cryptocurrencies will be added to the payment methods for Codeberg donate at some point in the future (assuming Codeberg still exists by then) because cryptocurrencies are replacing any country's fiat currency

Hope everyone will stop questioning cryptocurrencies for very small and common problems. I'm not a teacher. The world will tell you whether cryptocurrencies are good enough, and the world is doing this. For conspiracy theorists and people who smear cryptocurrencies, you can leave the discussion. I believe Codeberg owners will make rational judgments. This is just a very small issue. I just hope that Codeberg will become better. For those who don't plan to donate, just ignore it as well

The discussion is becoming moot, Codeberg owners needs to react as soon as possible, instead of me being here to teach people why electricity is better than oil. Even if I don't raise the issue, cryptocurrencies will be added to the payment methods for Codeberg donate at some point in the future (assuming Codeberg still exists by then) because cryptocurrencies are replacing any country's fiat currency Hope everyone will stop questioning cryptocurrencies for very small and common problems. I'm not a teacher. The world will tell you whether cryptocurrencies are good enough, and the world is doing this. For conspiracy theorists and people who smear cryptocurrencies, you can leave the discussion. I believe Codeberg owners will make rational judgments. This is just a very small issue. I just hope that Codeberg will become better. For those who don't plan to donate, just ignore it as well

... instead of me being here to teach people why electricity is better than oil.

I'm sorry to hear that your time is not well spent discussing with me. I disagree with the comparison as well as the tone of your message.

> ... instead of me being here to teach people why electricity is better than oil. I'm sorry to hear that your time is not well spent discussing with me. I disagree with the comparison as well as the tone of your message.

@earl-warren Again....If you really disagree, please refute all my points one by one by citing your proofs instead of simply saying "disagree"

@earl-warren Again....If you really disagree, please refute all my points one by one by citing your proofs instead of simply saying "disagree"

@earl-warren Don't care about my tone, I've refuted your all of point, let's discuss it rationally, if you think it makes sense

Everyone is born in different place, cultures also differrnt. If cryptocurrencies are not allowed in your country or region, I think I can understand why you say that, but on the other hand, please recognize the facts and look at the mainstream view of the world, and you will know why cryptocurrencies are actually good.

I hold stocks such as NVDA and MSFT, also hold some securities, funds, gold, USD, etc., and cryptocurrencies, among which cryptocurrencies are the most, I think I definitely have a say in cryptocurrencies, and you, I don't think most of your personal assets are cryptocurrencies. In fact, based on your comments, I suspect you don't have any cryptocurrencies right now, and never even have it. It's as ridiculous as a person sitting in the back of a car saying that knowing the car is ridiculous

@earl-warren Don't care about my tone, I've refuted your all of point, let's discuss it rationally, if you think it makes sense Everyone is born in different place, cultures also differrnt. If cryptocurrencies are not allowed in your country or region, I think I can understand why you say that, but on the other hand, please recognize the facts and look at the mainstream view of the world, and you will know why cryptocurrencies are actually good. I hold stocks such as NVDA and MSFT, also hold some securities, funds, gold, USD, etc., and cryptocurrencies, among which cryptocurrencies are the most, I think I definitely have a say in cryptocurrencies, and you, I don't think most of your personal assets are cryptocurrencies. In fact, based on your comments, I suspect you don't have any cryptocurrencies right now, and never even have it. It's as ridiculous as a person sitting in the back of a car saying that knowing the car is ridiculous

and you, I don't think most of your personal assets are cryptocurrencies. In fact, based on your comments, I suspect you don't have any cryptocurrencies right now, and never even have it. It's as ridiculous as a person sitting in the back of a car saying that knowing the car is ridiculous

@moderation this is an ad-hominem attack.

> and you, I don't think most of your personal assets are cryptocurrencies. In fact, based on your comments, I suspect you don't have any cryptocurrencies right now, and never even have it. It's as ridiculous as a person sitting in the back of a car saying that knowing the car is ridiculous @moderation this is an ad-hominem attack.

@earl-warren I know why you hate cryptocurrencies, don’t you understand English? ad-hominem attack? Who to attack? Aren't you attacking me? You don't have cryptocurrencies think cryptocurrencies are bad. What's this not an attack?

45% of the cryptocurrencies I hold are USDT, 50% are USDC, and some BNB, BTC, etc. If you know what these are, you will know why cryptocurrencies are not only speculative. Cryptocurrencies can be fiat currencies and can be very stable and perfect substitutes for the US dollar. This is a fact, but you don’t know this? I said it once before, after you thought that cryptocurrencies were only speculative, but you didn’t refute me on this point. Obviously you don’t know anything. If stablecoins are only speculative, US dollar also.

@earl-warren I know why you hate cryptocurrencies, don’t you understand English? ad-hominem attack? Who to attack? Aren't you attacking me? You don't have cryptocurrencies think cryptocurrencies are bad. What's this not an attack? 45% of the cryptocurrencies I hold are USDT, 50% are USDC, and some BNB, BTC, etc. If you know what these are, you will know why cryptocurrencies are not only speculative. Cryptocurrencies can be fiat currencies and can be very stable and perfect substitutes for the US dollar. This is a fact, but you don’t know this? I said it once before, after you thought that cryptocurrencies were only speculative, but you didn’t refute me on this point. Obviously you don’t know anything. If stablecoins are only speculative, US dollar also.

@earl-warren This is not a ad-hominem attack, but you are very suspicious. You replied to me without discussing the topic itself. You are wasting my time. Please refute me on what I said. Please, I have proved my point and any search engine can find it. This is well known. Now refute my point one by one to prove that you are right. Please

@earl-warren This is not a ad-hominem attack, but you are very suspicious. You replied to me without discussing the topic itself. You are wasting my time. Please refute me on what I said. Please, I have proved my point and any search engine can find it. This is well known. Now refute my point one by one to prove that you are right. Please

This is an unproductive discussion, I ask everyone to refrain from commenting on this topic and also to refrain from opening new issues on this topic. If you want to say your piece on this matter, contact me.

I am quite confident that the official answer from 2 years ago is still effective and therefore this issue is resolved, #203 (comment).

This is an unproductive discussion, I ask everyone to refrain from commenting on this topic and also to refrain from opening new issues on this topic. If you want to say your piece on this matter, [contact me](https://matrix.to/#/@gusted:matrix.org). I am quite confident that the official answer from 2 years ago is still effective and therefore this issue is resolved, https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/203#issuecomment-766286.
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