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Created on 2018年02月03日 22:24 by rhettinger, last changed 2022年04月11日 14:58 by admin. This issue is now closed.
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| msg311575 - (view) | Author: Raymond Hettinger (rhettinger) * (Python committer) | Date: 2018年02月03日 22:24 | |
The default keymap for Cntl-A should be <beginning-of-line>, the same as Cntl-KeyLeft. This is consistent with how Cntl-A behaves at the bash prompt and in Emacs.
>>> print('Hello World')
^--- Cntl-A should take you here
^------- Cntl-A currently takes you here (which is never helpful).
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| msg311610 - (view) | Author: Cheryl Sabella (cheryl.sabella) * (Python committer) | Date: 2018年02月04日 17:15 | |
That's interesting. I've always thought of Control+A to be 'select all'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_keyboard_shortcuts Do you think a new keybinding theme should be added for bash/emacs? I don't know how well emacs would work without allowing combinations like Control+X, Control-F. |
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| msg311648 - (view) | Author: Terry J. Reedy (terry.reedy) * (Python committer) | Date: 2018年02月05日 08:06 | |
Mac key bindings and Shell home method behavior are separate and long-standing issues. They were discussed together in #18444, and this could be considered a duplicate thereof. However, the two issues need to be discussed and solved separately. 1. The bindings of <Control-Key-A> and <<beginning-of-line>> on Macs. The more general issue is IDLE key bindings on MacOSX. Here are the beginning-of-line and select-all bindings in the various keysets. From idlelib/config-keys.def [IDLE Classic Windows] beginning-of-line= <Key-Home> select-all=<Control-Key-a> <Control-Key-A> [IDLE Classic Unix] beginning-of-line=<Control-Key-a> <Key-Home> select-all=<Alt-Key-a> <Meta-Key-a> [IDLE Modern Unix] # default on *nix, design by Serhiy Storchaka beginning-of-line = <Key-Home> select-all = <Control-Key-a> [IDLE Classic Mac] # so obsolete that it almost should be removed? beginning-of-line= <Key-Home> select-all=<Command-Key-a> [IDLE Classic OSX] beginning-of-line = <Control-Key-Left> select-all = <Command-Key-a> I am guessing that Raymond is using a Mac and a customized version of IDLE Classic OSX with Control-Key-A added as either *a* or *the* binding of the <<beginning-of-line pseudoevent. On #18444, I asked whether we should make this addition config-key.def. (No answer there.) I now realize that doing so would break any custom keyset that binds ^A to any other pseudoevent. So I would be very reluctant to change the current keyset. On the same issue, Ned suggested (July 2013) that even the OSX keyset had multiple problems and should be replaced. A new keyset would have to be justified by more than one change, but would not be encumbered by back compatibility. Are standards stable enough on Mac to make a new keyset appropriate now? In June 2016, Serhiy Storchaka posted a new keyset for Linux that he claimed followed current Linux standards, such as they are. It is now the default on Linux. I would do the same for Mac if Ned and Raymond agreed on something. I changed the title of this issue to this generalization, rather than close it as a duplicate. 2. The behavior of editor.EditorWindow.home_callback, bound to <beginning-of-line>, in Shell. Jumping to the physical start of line was fixed, at least on *nix and Windows, in #3851. I remember verifying this. Yet now, on Win 10, the old behavior is back. So, this is not only a Mac issue and this part is a duplicate of #31930. The underlying issue is the mixing of a read-only prompt and the first line of a possibly multiline read-write Python statement in the Shell text widget. This also leads to the indent problem and a couple of other minor issues. In retrospect, I consider this mixing a design mistake and I am working on a suggestion about fixing it. |
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| msg311866 - (view) | Author: Ned Deily (ned.deily) * (Python committer) | Date: 2018年02月09日 04:28 | |
Terry, it would be better to get opinions from others who really use IDLE on macOS. But, FWIW: - I agree with Raymond that Ctrl-A makes much more sense as the default for beginning of line for the reasons he cites. - Command-A is appropriate for select-all. - Should the Classic Mac keyset be removed? Probably - Designing a more modern macOS keyset is probably still a good idea (but I'm not volunteering to do it!) |
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| msg395599 - (view) | Author: Terry J. Reedy (terry.reedy) * (Python committer) | Date: 2021年06月11日 03:58 | |
#18444 is about revising macOS keysets and/or making a new one. This is about the latter. So closing as duplicate. |
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| Date | User | Action | Args |
| 2022年04月11日 14:58:57 | admin | set | github: 76942 |
| 2021年06月11日 03:58:56 | terry.reedy | set | status: open -> closed versions: + Python 3.11 superseder: IDLE: Revise macOS key bindings, make new one. messages: + msg395599 resolution: duplicate stage: needs patch |
| 2018年02月09日 04:28:40 | ned.deily | set | messages: + msg311866 |
| 2018年02月05日 08:06:06 | terry.reedy | set | nosy:
+ ned.deily messages: + msg311648 title: IDLE Keymap for Cntl-A -> Create IDLE Modern Mac keyset |
| 2018年02月04日 17:15:28 | cheryl.sabella | set | nosy:
+ cheryl.sabella messages: + msg311610 |
| 2018年02月03日 22:24:20 | rhettinger | create | |