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Title: True division of integers could be more accurate
Type: behavior Stage: resolved
Components: Interpreter Core Versions: Python 3.2, Python 2.7
process
Status: closed Resolution: fixed
Dependencies: Superseder:
Assigned To: mark.dickinson Nosy List: christian.heimes, mark.dickinson, terry.reedy, tim.peters
Priority: normal Keywords: patch

Created on 2008年01月12日 05:20 by mark.dickinson, last changed 2022年04月11日 14:56 by admin. This issue is now closed.

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File name Uploaded Description Edit
int_truediv.py mark.dickinson, 2008年01月12日 05:20 More accurate truediv for integers: example code
long_division.patch mark.dickinson, 2008年05月18日 17:04 patch for Objects/longobject.c
long_division2.patch mark.dickinson, 2009年12月23日 15:33
Messages (12)
msg59798 - (view) Author: Mark Dickinson (mark.dickinson) * (Python committer) Date: 2008年01月12日 05:20
Division of two longs can produce results that are needlessly 
inaccurate:
>>> from __future__ import division
>>> 10**40/10**39
10.000000000000002
The correct result is, of course, 10.0, which is exactly representable 
as a float.
The attached snippet of Python code shows that things don't have to be 
this way.
msg59824 - (view) Author: Christian Heimes (christian.heimes) * (Python committer) Date: 2008年01月12日 16:57
How fast is your algorithm compared to the current algorithm and where
starts the break even zone? Most users use only small integers so it
might be a good idea to use a simpler algorithm for longs with Py_SIZE()
== 1. This is important for py3k.
msg59830 - (view) Author: Mark Dickinson (mark.dickinson) * (Python committer) Date: 2008年01月12日 17:18
It would be easy and safe to just use a/b = float(a)/float(b) if both a and b are less 
than 2**53 (assuming IEEE doubles). Then there wouldn't be any loss of speed for 
small integers.
For large integers the algorithm I posted should run in time linear in the number of 
digits of max(a, b), at least in the worst case (though with appropriate optimizations 
it could be made much faster for 'random' inputs). The current algorithm has 
essentially O(1) runtime. 
To get proper timings I'd have to code this up properly. I'll do this, unless there's 
a consensus that it would be a waste of time :)
msg59838 - (view) Author: Christian Heimes (christian.heimes) * (Python committer) Date: 2008年01月12日 20:49
Mark Dickinson wrote:
> To get proper timings I'd have to code this up properly. I'll do this, unless there's 
> a consensus that it would be a waste of time :)
Why don't you ask Tim? He is the right person for the discussion. I'm
only an interested amateur mathematician.
Christian
msg59839 - (view) Author: Mark Dickinson (mark.dickinson) * (Python committer) Date: 2008年01月12日 21:05
Tim: is this worth fixing?
msg59988 - (view) Author: Mark Dickinson (mark.dickinson) * (Python committer) Date: 2008年01月16日 00:22
A related problem is that float(n) isn't always correctly rounded for an integer 
n. A contrived example:
>>> n = 2**68 + 2**16 - 1
>>> float(n)
2.9514790517935283e+20
Here the difference between float(n) and the true value of n is around 0.99998 
ulps; a correctly rounded float() would have error at most 0.5 ulps.
I don't regard this as terribly serious: from looking at the code, I *think* 
it's always true that the error is strictly less than 1 ulp, which is just 
enough to guarantee that float(n) == n whenever n is exactly representable as a 
float.
In contrast, the division of two integers can produce results that are up to 3.5 
ulps out from the true value. This is, in my opinion, a worryingly large error 
for a simple calculation.
msg64034 - (view) Author: Terry J. Reedy (terry.reedy) * (Python committer) Date: 2008年03月19日 04:28
To my mind, the inaccurate result is a bug that should be fixed.
Note: (3.0a3)
>>> 10e40/10e39
10.0
The rationale for the division change is that (as far as reasonably
possible) arithmetic operations with same values should give same result
regardless of types.
I have not looked at either algorithm, but if long/long started by
finding divmod(), but added fractional value when remainer is non-zero
instead of tossing it, exact quotients would easily be exact (unless too
large).
msg67031 - (view) Author: Mark Dickinson (mark.dickinson) * (Python committer) Date: 2008年05月18日 17:04
Here's a patch that fixes the rounding of integer division. It includes a 
fast path for the case where both integers are small (less than about 
3.5e12).
msg91020 - (view) Author: Mark Dickinson (mark.dickinson) * (Python committer) Date: 2009年07月28日 22:29
An example of a case that's almost 3.5 ulps out (Python 2.6):
Python 2.6.2 (r262:71600, Jul 8 2009, 09:56:31) 
[GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5490)] on darwin
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> from __future__ import division
>>> m = 295147931372582273023
>>> n = 295147932265116303360
>>> m/n
0.99999999697597697
The correctly rounded result would be the float given by 
0.9999999969759773.
msg96834 - (view) Author: Mark Dickinson (mark.dickinson) * (Python committer) Date: 2009年12月23日 10:08
Stealing this from Tim, with the intention of acting on it in the next 
couple of weeks.
msg96840 - (view) Author: Mark Dickinson (mark.dickinson) * (Python committer) Date: 2009年12月23日 15:33
Here's an updated patch, against py3k. On my machine, a/b is a touch faster with this patch when abs(a), 
abs(b) are smaller than 1e15 or so; it's (inevitably) slower than the existing implementation for larger a 
and b. For 'random' a and b, average running time is proportional to the size of b, and is independent of 
the size of a; worst-case running time (which occurs when a has many trailing zero bits) grows as 
max(size(a), size(b)).
Changing versions to 2.7 and 3.2, but I'm mostly aiming for 3.2. It may not be worth backporting to 2.7, 
given the extra effort required to deal correctly with ints as well as with longs.
msg96910 - (view) Author: Mark Dickinson (mark.dickinson) * (Python committer) Date: 2009年12月27日 15:10
Fixed in r77062 (trunk), r77063 (py3k).
History
Date User Action Args
2022年04月11日 14:56:29adminsetgithub: 46136
2009年12月27日 15:10:11mark.dickinsonsetstatus: open -> closed
resolution: fixed
messages: + msg96910

stage: patch review -> resolved
2009年12月23日 15:33:51mark.dickinsonsetfiles: + long_division2.patch

stage: patch review
messages: + msg96840
versions: + Python 2.7, Python 3.2, - Python 2.6, Python 3.0
2009年12月23日 10:08:22mark.dickinsonsetassignee: tim.peters -> mark.dickinson
messages: + msg96834
2009年07月28日 22:29:05mark.dickinsonsetmessages: + msg91020
2008年05月18日 17:04:25mark.dickinsonsetfiles: + long_division.patch
keywords: + patch
messages: + msg67031
2008年03月19日 04:28:40terry.reedysetnosy: + terry.reedy
messages: + msg64034
2008年01月16日 00:22:46mark.dickinsonsetmessages: + msg59988
2008年01月12日 23:33:04rhettingersetassignee: tim.peters
2008年01月12日 21:05:34mark.dickinsonsetnosy: + tim.peters
messages: + msg59839
2008年01月12日 20:49:42christian.heimessetmessages: + msg59838
2008年01月12日 17:18:54mark.dickinsonsetmessages: + msg59830
2008年01月12日 16:57:16christian.heimessetpriority: normal
nosy: + christian.heimes
messages: + msg59824
2008年01月12日 05:20:56mark.dickinsonsetcomponents: + Interpreter Core
versions: + Python 2.6, Python 3.0
2008年01月12日 05:20:28mark.dickinsoncreate

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