[LOGic] K3 Support

Thu Dec 1 05:59:21 EST 2011

Dennis wrote,
*I am first redoing the Kenwood 850 driver with the new platform. If
anything doesn't work, I will do a k3-specific driver. We want to get
all of the buttons on LOGic working with the K3.*
Yes, that is what we want. We want all the buttons currently implemented in 
LOGic to work properly on the K3 as they work on other rigs.
More than that, even if you do get the TS-850 driver to work perfectly with 
the K3, I think it would be a very smart move on your part to replicate it 
and list it as a K3 driver as well. There is simply no "LOGical" explanation 
for not showing direct native support for a radio that is now used by 
virtually every DXpedition, not to mention thousands of top DXers, around 
the world. Check out the DXpedition web pages: K3s, K3s, K3s. Look at the 
photos: K3s everywhere you look. (I did see one the other day that was using 
K2s. LOL)
Dennis, this is more a marketing issue than a technical issue. Do most LOGic 
users use the control buttons on the bottom row? I don't know; probably not. 
(They certainly don't if they have a K3, because they don't work.) But the 
ABSENCE of native, correctly functional K3 support is a huge blooper in the 
eyes of most knowledgeable hams. It's like, "Huh? WTF?" No other logging 
program I know of, free or paid, doesn't have basic (VFOs/modes) K3 support 
that works. There might be one, but if so I don't know about it.
Bill W5WVO
PS -- Maybe you've never used a K3 on CW, where it outclasses anything else 
out there, regardless of price, by a country mile. Arrange to have somebody 
 >>who really knows how to use it<< do a demo when the DX is running; it's 
worthwhile. It will blow your mind. Might even be motivating. :-)
-----Original Message----- 
From: Dennis
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 19:16
To: logic at mailman.qth.net ; Allen Brier N5XZ ; W0SD Ed Gray
Subject: Re: [LOGic] K3 Support
I have posted this here before as I recall. If not, I apologize:
*I am first redoing the Kenwood 850 driver with the new platform. If
anything doesn't work, I will do a k3-specific driver. We want to get
all of the buttons on LOGic working with the K3.*
Is this acceptable?
I will support all features that LOGic supports within limitations of
the rig. I know that the K2 allowed switching between VFOs A & B. The
K3 does not. Hopefully it will support Swap A & B (a new feature added
to LOGic 9 for rigs that use a main/sub VFO arrangement). We will get
all of the buttons on LOGic working.
LOGIc 9 also supports OmniRig, so that will be another option for the
K3. However, I expect that LOGic's native driver will actually offer
more capability.
I have gotten calls from K3 users and others complaining about OLE
errors related to the COM port and the like. This is caused by Prolific
USB=>RS232 adapters that are not fully RS-232 compatible, and is a
well-documented problem that occurs with many software packages, not
just LOGic. It is unlikely that Prolific adapters will work any better
with LOGic 9 than 8. Get an FTDI-based adapter, and the errors will go
away.
I will not buy Logic 9 if it does not _fully _support the K3, end of story.
Note that LOGic is not intended to be a remote operation program that
fully replaces the front panel of the rig. We do not attempt to support
every remote control command that a rig may have.
If that is what you need, TRX-Manager IS a remote-control program.
Laurent has a K3 and has added a lot of K3-specific features to
TRX_Manager. Does it support_everything?_ Maybe not. But it is the
most comprehensive K3 program out there. Here are some screen shots from
his web site: http://trx-manager.com/edspe.htm#k3
Tnx &73,
Dennis WN4AZY
On 11/30/2011 1:11 PM, Allen Brier N5XZ wrote:
>> Thanks for the input, Ed. I am forwarding this to Dennis.
>> I have already prepaid for LOGic 9 but am considering cancelling the
> order without positive input from Dennis.
>> Allen N5XZ
>>> -----Original Message-----
> From: W0SD Ed Gray
> Sent: Nov 30, 2011 11:45 AM
> To: Allen Brier N5XZ , "logic at mailman.qth.net"
> Subject: Re: [LOGic] K3 Support
>> I am blessed to own three K3's but far more importantly the K3's
> are all over the world and not just here in the USA with many,
> many of them sold so it should be supported. Also since it and
> Ten Tec are the main USA made radios I sure think the USA based
> Logic company should support the K3's. Lastly it is one of the top
> radios in the world according to the Sherwood Engineering report
> and at a reasonable price so why would you not support it??? To me
> it is a no brainer if you want to sell software you support the K3?
>> I will not buy Logic 9 if it does not fully support the K3, end of
> story.
>> Ed W0SD
>> On 11/30/2011 11:38 AM, Allen Brier N5XZ wrote:
>> I am in agreement with W5WVO: Dennis needs to implement native K3 
>> support. It is a PITA without it.
>>>> Allen N5XZ
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>>> Subject: [LOGic] QRZ.com change kills LOGic 8
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>>>>>> QRZ.com has come out with a new look, and apparently under-the-hood 
>>> changes have rendered it toxic to LOGic 8. Any auto-lookup in QRZ.com 
>>> now crashes the Callbook applet and requires killing LOGic 8 through 
>>> Task Manager, cleaning, relaunching, etc. I?m assuming this problem is 
>>> due to QRZ.com?s upgrade, but if no one else is having a problem with 
>>> this, then perhaps I need some help with my setup. Please let me know.
>>>>>> I would assume that LOGic 9 coming out and QRZ.com upgrading is an 
>>> unhappy coincidence. I do NOT want to have to wait for LOGic 9 (which 
>>> I?m not even sure I?m going to buy at this point, given continuing lack 
>>> of K3 support -- incomprehensible) to fix access to QRZ.com, which is 
>>> indispensible for a DXer trying to keep up with dozens of DXpeditions on 
>>> a daily basis.
>>>>>> I am running 8.0.104, but I doubt any higher LOGic 8 revision (if 
>>> there is one) will fix this, as QRZ.com was just updated in the past 
>>> 24-48 hours or so. Does anyone have knowledge of any fixes for this, or 
>>> at least a timeline for a LOGic 8 fix? Please don?t tell me it will be 
>>> fixed in LOGic 9...
>>>>>> Bill W5WVO
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