[Dxbase] FW: DXBase - Comments on Status from my point of view

Tue Sep 7 18:15:59 EDT 2010

He/she is expecting flames? There are no flames when someone doesn't have the balls to actually stand behind what they say. 
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-----Original Message-----
From: dxbase-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:dxbase-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Crownhaven
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 5:18 PM
To: jim cowan
Cc: dxbase
Subject: Re: [Dxbase] FW: DXBase - Comments on Status from my point of view
I love DXB 2007. I can wait.
Steve, N4JQQ
On 9/7/2010 3:46 PM, jim cowan wrote:
> Neal is being polite - in my opinion... He will not say it but I think it is
> time for someone to say it and this seems like an appropriate time to do
> just that...
>> If there is another logging program that suits your needs ( The Unknown
> Typist ) then by all means you should forget about Dx Base and subscribe to
> that one -- it would appear that switching would save you a lot of anxious
> moments - Neal did go as far as to say if you have money coming to you he
> will give it back to you... I myself intend to ride it out and like Dave
> says -- if it all ended right now we still have one of the best if not the
> best logging program available with DxBase 2007.... enough said....
>> Jim ve3kuc at xplornet.com
> VE3CM
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> From:<n8dc-8 at comcast.net>
> To: "dxbase"<dxbase at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 3:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dxbase] FW: DXBase - Comments on Status from my point of view
>>>>> Takes testicles to type something like that and send it out :).. But on
>> the other hand if you look closely the the current version as far as my
>> needs go i say ... whats to fix :)..
>> Sure everything can be improved on but were not stuck with an outdated non
>> usable program are we ?.. As long as we can update the prefix database
>> were good to go..
>> Ill be interested to see what Neal comes up with but im really not loosing
>> sleep over it as it seems the unknown typist is Hi Hi.. Bigger things to
>> worry about here.. Seems in doing my good Samaritan thing here 4 months
>> ago and turning in an unlicensed operator to the FCC I can no longer
>> operate my 2/440 equipment as someone is following me every where I go and
>> plugging my ears !.. This guy might be related to the unknown typist..
>> Fruit cakes that need mental help !
>> 73 guys.. It was good reading Hi Hi..
>> Dave N8DC
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alan Leith"<aleith at syd.eastlink.ca>
>> To: "Neal Campbell"<nealk3nc at gmail.com>, "Robert Raines"
>> <r-raines at hotmail.com>
>> Cc: dxbase at mailman.qth.net
>> Sent: Monday, September 6, 2010 10:52:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Dxbase] FW: DXBase - Comments on Status from my point of
>> view
>>>> Nice response, Neal. You are a lot more reserved in it than I would have
>> been. I, too, am curious about this anonymous poster. Don't lose any
>> sleep.
>>>> 73
>>>> Al, VE1AL
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dxbase-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:dxbase-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Neal Campbell
>> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 11:43 PM
>> To: Robert Raines
>> Cc: dxbase at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Dxbase] FW: DXBase - Comments on Status from my point of
>> view
>>>> Hi Robert
>>>> I honestly do not understand the level of emotional investment you display
>> in this but since you have raised the points, I will respond (as much as I
>> think appropriate).
>>>> 1. This is a software program used in the enjoyment of a wonderful hobby.
>> I
>> love both the hobby (in so many aspects) as well as programming and
>> helping
>> out people. I have a real company to run with business customers and in
>> the
>> spare time that I have, I dedicate to (among other things) this hobby and
>> DXBase. The minute I feel this isn't fun and worthwhile, I will find some
>> way to have fun and write off the time and money I have spent as a
>> learning
>> opportunity. But this is fun! I am going to make sure it remains fun for
>> as
>> long as I can.
>>>> 2. I am not aware of any software product that costs 59ドル which occupies a
>> mission-critical, guaranteed-deadline role in any business or service. I
>> make no claim nor do I want to participate with that type of implication.
>> If you need set schedules, penalties for delivery, etc. I can give you a
>> price for it but I really don't want to because it will start to be purely
>> a busiess and not fun. It will also be at least a 5 figure cost because it
>> will be displacing that amount of income from me (after all, this is a 1
>> person company at this moment). Let me be clear: I will produce version
>> 10, actively work on it every day. But it will only go to beta when I like
>> it and will only ship when I like it. If your needs are greater than this,
>> then I have made a mistake in establishing expectations or we have a
>> misunderstanding. If I have made this expectation, give me some indication
>> of how I set that expectation (so I can correct it with others) and I can
>> discuss a refund. Everyone has a 30 day money back warranty so for those
>> who are in that time period, you do not even have to explain what I have
>> done to cause the misunderstanding, just ask for the refund.
>>>> 3. I really do not want to come off as coming down on you, I am truly
>> pleased you care enough about the product and are disappointed its taking
>> me much longer to do things, because my business has greatly grown beyond
>> what I foresaw. In my last status note, I said I was actually cutting back
>> time on my income-producing activities to work more hours a day on it. I
>> paid money to Jack for the opportunity to be here and even having this
>> conversation. I am more invested in this than any of you could possibly be
>> and have much more to lose.
>>>> 4. I admire, respect and value Joe's contribution and wisdom. He decided
>> to
>> discontinue activities against my desires and there isn't a particle of
>> friction from my side to his. If he has friction from his side to me, all
>> I
>> can say is I didn't intend any and would truly welcome him back in any
>> way.
>> Thats all I will ever say about this because its all I feel about it. Joe
>> isn't a guy who wants people to do much for him to show appreciation, so
>> its difficult to use normal business rewards to show appreciation. Short
>> of
>> me flying from Virginia to his house and camping on his yard, I just can't
>> be any clearer.
>>>> 5. But, having said all of this, the situation is that I did spend good
>> money to buy DXBase and I am responsible for doing the best I can, given
>> these constraints, to have fun and make it an even greater program.
>>>> 6. If my responses are too cute, point taken. But, they are my responses
>> and not given flippantly or without thought. I never worked for IBM but I
>> have been a professional, from programmer to designer to executive, in the
>> IT world for 34 years. If my style and manner upset you, its an honest
>> emotion and maybe you will find someone else that suits your needs better.
>> Not everyone is going to be your cup of tea! I personally am going to have
>> fun whether you are part of this or not. I honestly do not think that will
>> change.
>>>> 7. You only signed on to this reflector this afternoon at 540PM EDT and
>> this is the only thing I can find you have ever sent to the internet via
>> Google.
>> Hotmail. like gmail, is considered one of those anonymous email services
>> in
>> that its hard to really know who is sending something. Seeing you don't
>> give a callsign and are a very recent contributor to the list, I just
>> wonder what your history, investment or even interest in me really is. Is
>> there another problem here?
>>>> Come on guys, this isn't supposed to be like this. Get on the air, use DXB
>> 2007 and enjoy it while I do the same and work on the next release. If
>> this
>> doesn't suit your personal needs, I am sorry but that is for you to judge
>> what you should do, I am pretty certain on how I am going to proceed. Its
>> going to happen (unless I decide this really isn't an opportunity to have
>> fun) and it will happen when I decide its good enough to happen.
>>>>>> Neal Campbell
>> Abroham Neal Software
>> www.abrohamnealsoftware.com
>> (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER
>>>> Amateur Radio: K3NC
>> Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/
>> DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums:
>> http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Robert Raines<r-raines at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>> You can think all you want, but we would all be dead if we were
>>> holding our breath. Don't give yourself that much credit yet.....
>>>>>> *Score Card To Date*
>>>>>> Releases - Zero
>>>>>> Deadlines - None Published (and answers about dates are a little to
>>>>> "cute"
>>>>> for my liking from a new owner. See the comment quoted at the end of
>>> this)
>>>>>> Pre-release screen shots on the web site - Zero
>>>>>> Programming Skills - Unknown
>>>>>> Customer Service Skills - No warm and fuzzy here (See deadlines
>>> comment above among other things)
>>>>>> Quality Assurance Testing - Unknown
>>>>>> Loyal DXBase Customer Following - Starting to fade from lack of
>>> information (Are we riding a dark horse at this point?)
>>>>>> Bonding with Joe (WA6AXE) who has developed dozens of reports and
>>> fixes for us - Seems to be a lot of friction there
>>>>>> Support of other applications such as AXETTY, DxbPSK, Realtime LOTW,
>>> etc - Unknown
>>>>>> And the list goes on.........
>>>>>> *Immediate Turn Around Improvement Opportunities*
>>>>>> Publish a page on your web site dedicated to DXBase that has links to:
>>>>>> A project plan with target dates for each major part of the next
>>> release, up to and including a target date for the release.
>>>>>> Screen shots of what you have done so far. Worse thing you could do
>>> is go blindly down a path and discover the users hate the interface
>>> you have developed on your first release. (This would be HUGE)
>>>>>> Read your comments twice before you publish them. You may think they
>>> are "cute", a lot of us do not.
>>>>>> Do you have others using the product in beta testing? Your log and
>>> contact volume may be a whole lot different from a contesters or true
>>> heavy-duty DXer.
>>>>>> Include things like DxbPSK in the time lines so we can see if there
>>> are "bolt on" applications that we are using and are not yet included.
>>>>>> *Closing Thoughts*
>>>>>> There are a lot of IT professionals in your following, so comments
>>> like deadlines are hard to establish because of programming changes don't
>>>>> cut it.
>>>>> You worked for IBM - Did they ever run a project like this?????
>>>>>>>>> I feel the flames coming, but sometimes the truth hurts........
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neal Campbell wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm still here!
>>>>>>>> I think the silence is everyone holding their breath for the next
>>>>>>> release!
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