[Dx-qsl] DX-QSL Digest, Vol 138, Issue 7

Sun Jul 26 17:26:16 EDT 2015

Unless I miss something... Please don’t try to read between the lines. There 
aren't any.
1. How did Monk Apollo get his amateur license? Did he take a test and was 
it issued to him by Greek authorities?
2. I understand that there is some kind of 'special autonomy' connected to 
Mt Athos. That being the case, the way
I interpreted Monk Apollo's message to be that in order for any amateur to 
operate legally from Mt Athos he must first get written
approval from the High Council; meaning that a written application has to be 
submitted and individually approved in writing by ALL of the monistaries
comprising the High Council on Mt. Athos. Since Mt Athos is an enclave of 
religious orders and a holy place comprised mainly of monks who
take vows of poverty, live in a religious atmosphere and, from what I have 
read believe, living in almost hermit like conditions.
That being the case, one has to assume Monk Apollo also had to get 
permission from the High Council to operate his station.
If above assumption is correct then it doesn’t sound unreasonable for other 
amateurs to apply to operate from Mt. Athos using the process
in place before they can legally operate. Also assume the logical starting 
point would be to contact Monk Apollo and seek his advice and help in
how to go about this. Since most monks (by my understanding) devote their 
lives to a life of prayer and complying with the regimen of the
orders they have taken vows, this could take a very very long time..The 
priorities of people who take religious vows and live a cloistered life do 
not
have the liberties or time of we common folk. Enjoy Monk Apollo while he is 
able to operate from Mt Athos, he may very well be the last for
along, long time...I know this doesn’t solve the problems of the amateur 
community its simply my take. 73 al W3AWU
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Today's Topics:
 1. Re: Monk Apollo Speaks Out on Illegal Operation from Mount
 Athos (Stan, KB6RQZ via DX-QSL)
 2. Re: Monk Apollo Speaks Out on Illegal Operation from Mount
 Athos (Murray Green)
 3. Re: Monk Apollo Speaks Out on Illegal Operation from Mount
 Athos (Kostas SV1DPI)
 4. Re: Monk Apollo Speaks Out on Illegal Operation from Mount
 Athos (Ron Lago)
 5. Re: Monk Apollo Speaks Out on Illegal Operation from Mount
 Athos (Al, N6TA via DX-QSL)
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Message: 1
Date: 2015年7月25日 19:48:28 -0400
From: "Stan, KB6RQZ via DX-QSL" <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
To: mgreen at erols.com, dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] Monk Apollo Speaks Out on Illegal Operation from
Mount Athos
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So I read it what' does say/mean, the translation is very poor? I read
into it that unless he alone approves, it's a no-go for anyone else, even 
if
the High Council approves it? So it's work him or don't get it, they
should change SV/A from Mount Athos to Appolo's Kingdom. That like having 
to
work the Pope to get the Vatican.
I'm open to anyone else's interpretation
Stan
KK3KK
In a message dated 7/25/2015 3:04:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mgreen at erols.com writes:
*The following was copied from the DX World website and translated from
the Greek to English using the Google translation program. Monk Apollo
SV2ASP/A speaks out on the recent (and past)
illegal operations from Mount Athos:
http://www.dx-world.net/a-reponse-from-monk-apollo-sv2asp-a/
73, Murray K3BEQ
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Message: 2
Date: 2015年7月25日 19:53:57 -0400
From: Murray Green <mgreen at erols.com>
To: SGalonski1 at aol.com
Cc: dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] Monk Apollo Speaks Out on Illegal Operation from
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You read it wrong.
SGalonski1 at aol.com wrote:
> So I read it what' does say/mean, the translation is very poor? I
> read into it that unless he alone approves, it's a no-go for anyone
> else, even if the High Council approves it? So it's work him or don't
> get it, they should change SV/A from Mount Athos to Appolo's
> Kingdom. That like having to work the Pope to get the Vatican.
>> I'm open to anyone else's interpretation
>> Stan
> KK3KK
>>> In a message dated 7/25/2015 3:04:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> mgreen at erols.com writes:
>> *The following was copied from the DX World website and translated
> from
> the Greek to English using the Google translation program. Monk
> Apollo
> SV2ASP/A speaks out on the recent (and past)
> illegal operations from Mount Athos:
>> http://www.dx-world.net/a-reponse-from-monk-apollo-sv2asp-a/
>> 73, Murray K3BEQ
> *
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Message: 3
Date: 2015年7月26日 09:17:39 +0300
From: Kostas SV1DPI <sv1dpi at otenet.gr>
To: dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] Monk Apollo Speaks Out on Illegal Operation from
Mount Athos
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FYI I translated what Monk Apollo wrote and here it is:
It is known that many radio amateurs, many years ago, want to come and
operate from Mount Athos. The older hams know that I helped in the past
a radio amateur team from Thessaloniki Greece to come and operate from
Virgin Mary?s Garden. Most of you know also that the Mount Athos refuse
a license to everyone the last years. Maybe you have forgotten that this
is a result the way Baldur DJ6SI tried to fool the monks to operate
illegally.
Unfortunately instead the history guides us, we have seen new tries to
fool the monks the last time.
Some time ago, some Latvian hams came in Mount Athos and tried to
operate without any license. They claimed that they had an oral
permission. Of course they had neither oral or written license and Mount
Athos went them out. But their try, even they had not the right
documents, was not good for Mount Athos reputation. Many hams because of
his desire to have a QSO, blamed Mount Athos for this.
After a short time, a Greek radio amateur operated from Mount Athos. I
received many messages asking if he is legal or not. He is claimed that
he has a license from a monastery for training operation without to have
in mind the Greek law, which says:
?in specific cases and when special security has taken, the owner of the
station with a valid license may, for educational purpose and aiming to
progress of amateur radio, to allow the use of his station to a third
person who is not radio amateur, under his responsibility, supervision
and instructions, for a short time, not bigger than 20 minutes. In such
cases he must sign as /T (training)?
But his license is NOT valid because he has not the Holy Council?s
license as the Greek law says:
?A special call to be issued for operation from Mount Athos, it is
necessary you have thw written permission of Holy Council?
So we speak for another try to fool the Monks. The same negative picture
again.
Finally this is what we want? We want to operate even we fool the monks?
Even we make something bad for Mount Athos? Do we feel ok if we do
something like this? And finally are these actions against ham radio
because all these make a far dream a future dxpedition?
Mount Athos is a source of Light that illuminates all of us and a Beacon
of Orthodoxs through the Centuries.
I asked the Holy Council if a license has been given and they answered
negatively. The Holy Council having in mind the illegal operations of
Baldur DJ6SI, the willing of Latvians who wanted to operate without a
license, the illegal operation of SV2/SV1RP/T or /A at 12 June 2015 and
many received applications to operate from Mount Athos, sent a decision
(doc. Nr F.2/27A/1482/28-6-2015) to the 20 Monasteries of Mount Athos to
make all these clear. With this document, the Holy Community says that
if someone outside Mount Athos wants to operate, he needs a special call
and the written permission of Holy Council. Also is mentioned that all
the answers in relatively applications for a license until now were
negative. So that means all the operations until now are illegal.
I want to ask everyone to behave more carefully. In our life in general,
it is better to try something without to offend others, or to raise the
values and institutions, trying to achieve our goal preserving the law
and ethics.
Monk Apollo from Docheiariou Monastery.
73 Kostas SV1DPI
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Message: 4
Date: 2015年7月26日 07:44:56 -0700
From: Ron Lago <ac7dx at comcast.net>
To: dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] Monk Apollo Speaks Out on Illegal Operation from
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And Baldur got some ham buddies shot dead when he tried to go where he
wasnt wanted. I question many of his operations and will always wonder
if he is a "Romeo" clone
73
Ron
On 7/25/2015 11:17 PM, Kostas SV1DPI wrote:
> FYI I translated what Monk Apollo wrote and here it is:
>>> It is known that many radio amateurs, many years ago, want to come and
> operate from Mount Athos. The older hams know that I helped in the
> past a radio amateur team from Thessaloniki Greece to come and operate
> from Virgin Mary?s Garden. Most of you know also that the Mount Athos
> refuse a license to everyone the last years. Maybe you have forgotten
> that this is a result the way Baldur DJ6SI tried to fool the monks to
> operate illegally.
>> Unfortunately instead the history guides us, we have seen new tries to
> fool the monks the last time.
>> Some time ago, some Latvian hams came in Mount Athos and tried to
> operate without any license. They claimed that they had an oral
> permission. Of course they had neither oral or written license and
> Mount Athos went them out. But their try, even they had not the right
> documents, was not good for Mount Athos reputation. Many hams because
> of his desire to have a QSO, blamed Mount Athos for this.
>> After a short time, a Greek radio amateur operated from Mount Athos. I
> received many messages asking if he is legal or not. He is claimed
> that he has a license from a monastery for training operation without
> to have in mind the Greek law, which says:
>> ?in specific cases and when special security has taken, the owner of
> the station with a valid license may, for educational purpose and
> aiming to progress of amateur radio, to allow the use of his station
> to a third person who is not radio amateur, under his responsibility,
> supervision and instructions, for a short time, not bigger than 20
> minutes. In such cases he must sign as /T (training)?
>> But his license is NOT valid because he has not the Holy Council?s
> license as the Greek law says:
>> ?A special call to be issued for operation from Mount Athos, it is
> necessary you have thw written permission of Holy Council?
>> So we speak for another try to fool the Monks. The same negative
> picture again.
>> Finally this is what we want? We want to operate even we fool the
> monks? Even we make something bad for Mount Athos? Do we feel ok if we
> do something like this? And finally are these actions against ham
> radio because all these make a far dream a future dxpedition?
>> Mount Athos is a source of Light that illuminates all of us and a
> Beacon of Orthodoxs through the Centuries.
>> I asked the Holy Council if a license has been given and they answered
> negatively. The Holy Council having in mind the illegal operations of
> Baldur DJ6SI, the willing of Latvians who wanted to operate without a
> license, the illegal operation of SV2/SV1RP/T or /A at 12 June 2015
> and many received applications to operate from Mount Athos, sent a
> decision (doc. Nr F.2/27A/1482/28-6-2015) to the 20 Monasteries of
> Mount Athos to make all these clear. With this document, the Holy
> Community says that if someone outside Mount Athos wants to operate,
> he needs a special call and the written permission of Holy Council.
> Also is mentioned that all the answers in relatively applications for
> a license until now were negative. So that means all the operations
> until now are illegal.
>> I want to ask everyone to behave more carefully. In our life in
> general, it is better to try something without to offend others, or to
> raise the values and institutions, trying to achieve our goal
> preserving the law and ethics.
>> Monk Apollo from Docheiariou Monastery.
>>> 73 Kostas SV1DPI
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Message: 5
Date: 2015年7月26日 16:42:39 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Al, N6TA via DX-QSL" <dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
To: Ron Lago <ac7dx at comcast.net>, "dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net"
<dx-qsl at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] Monk Apollo Speaks Out on Illegal Operation from
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That?you took it to mean that Apollo must approve is surprising.Al
 On Sunday, July 26, 2015 7:45 AM, Ron Lago <ac7dx at comcast.net> wrote:
And Baldur got some ham buddies shot dead when he tried to go where he
wasnt wanted. I question many of his operations and will always wonder
if he is a "Romeo" clone
73
Ron
On 7/25/2015 11:17 PM, Kostas SV1DPI wrote:
> FYI I translated what Monk Apollo wrote and here it is:
>>> It is known that many radio amateurs, many years ago, want to come and
> operate from Mount Athos. The older hams know that I helped in the
> past a radio amateur team from Thessaloniki Greece to come and operate
> from Virgin Mary?s Garden. Most of you know also that the Mount Athos
> refuse a license to everyone the last years. Maybe you have forgotten
> that this is a result the way Baldur DJ6SI tried to fool the monks to
> operate illegally.
>> Unfortunately instead the history guides us, we have seen new tries to
> fool the monks the last time.
>> Some time ago, some Latvian hams came in Mount Athos and tried to
> operate without any license. They claimed that they had an oral
> permission. Of course they had neither oral or written license and
> Mount Athos went them out. But their try, even they had not the right
> documents, was not good for Mount Athos reputation. Many hams because
> of his desire to have a QSO, blamed Mount Athos for this.
>> After a short time, a Greek radio amateur operated from Mount Athos. I
> received many messages asking if he is legal or not. He is claimed
> that he has a license from a monastery for training operation without
> to have in mind the Greek law, which says:
>> ?in specific cases and when special security has taken, the owner of
> the station with a valid license may, for educational purpose and
> aiming to progress of amateur radio, to allow the use of his station
> to a third person who is not radio amateur, under his responsibility,
> supervision and instructions, for a short time, not bigger than 20
> minutes. In such cases he must sign as /T (training)?
>> But his license is NOT valid because he has not the Holy Council?s
> license as the Greek law says:
>> ?A special call to be issued for operation from Mount Athos, it is
> necessary you have thw written permission of Holy Council?
>> So we speak for another try to fool the Monks. The same negative
> picture again.
>> Finally this is what we want? We want to operate even we fool the
> monks? Even we make something bad for Mount Athos? Do we feel ok if we
> do something like this? And finally are these actions against ham
> radio because all these make a far dream a future dxpedition?
>> Mount Athos is a source of Light that illuminates all of us and a
> Beacon of Orthodoxs through the Centuries.
>> I asked the Holy Council if a license has been given and they answered
> negatively. The Holy Council having in mind the illegal operations of
> Baldur DJ6SI, the willing of Latvians who wanted to operate without a
> license, the illegal operation of SV2/SV1RP/T or /A at 12 June 2015
> and many received applications to operate from Mount Athos, sent a
> decision (doc. Nr F.2/27A/1482/28-6-2015) to the 20 Monasteries of
> Mount Athos to make all these clear. With this document, the Holy
> Community says that if someone outside Mount Athos wants to operate,
> he needs a special call and the written permission of Holy Council.
> Also is mentioned that all the answers in relatively applications for
> a license until now were negative. So that means all the operations
> until now are illegal.
>> I want to ask everyone to behave more carefully. In our life in
> general, it is better to try something without to offend others, or to
> raise the values and institutions, trying to achieve our goal
> preserving the law and ethics.
>> Monk Apollo from Docheiariou Monastery.
>>> 73 Kostas SV1DPI
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