[Dx-qsl] The Future?

Mon Jan 6 20:01:40 EST 2014

I see no difference in remote operations, than having the means to own a jet 
to go from the east cost to the west coast and having a "MEGA station" in 
some other part of the country. My limitation would be that it must remain 
within the geographical DXCC entity that it is credited to. California or 
Maine, but not HI or AK or any other possession. There are MANY DX'ers of 
prominence that have CT3, PJ, or other great prop spots. They are not 
credited with their home DXCC credits from those locations. The remote 
could only operate from the home call for DXCC. (north EA to southern EA, or 
north DL to south DL)
I rather see it as rather cool technology working DX from a restaurant...
Guess I don't have to worry, the XYL won't let me spend another dime on this 
new twist...I'm lucky I still can invest in my station...hihi!!!
73
Ken
WA8JOC
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From: "Tom Wylie" <tgwylie at virginmedia.com>
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 2:48 PM
To: "Rex Turvin" <turvin2009 at yahoo.com>; "Steve Lund" 
<k6um.steve at gmail.com>; "Murray Green (K3BEQ)" <mgreen at erols.com>
Cc: "DX Posts" <DX-QSL at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Dx-qsl] The Future?
> Cheating means doing something unlawful or against the rules. How does 
> remote operation become unlawful or against the rules?
> If its not, then it not cheating.
>> I you have confirmed 100 countries on DXCC with 10w and a dipole, then 
> that is YOUR PERSONAL achievement. You dont have to worry about
> what anybody else is doing, just do your own thing. You are only 
> competing against yourself.
>> What about the 5 kilowatt stations?
>>>> Tom
> GM4FDM
>>>>> On 06/01/2014 19:41, Rex Turvin wrote:
>> This will be my last post. If the award is gonna be for a dxcc for remote 
>> operations only then that would be alright in my mind. If not then it is 
>> cheating, plain and simple and the award becomes meaningless
>> How people can even consider this as anything else baffles me.
>> I guess everyone must live with there own conscience.
>> 73 NR6M
>> ex: KF7NMD
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> Rex Turvin
>> www.nr6m.com
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Tom Wylie <tgwylie at virginmedia.com>
>> *To:* Steve Lund <k6um.steve at gmail.com>; Murray Green (K3BEQ) 
>> <mgreen at erols.com>
>> *Cc:* DX Posts <DX-QSL at mailman.qth.net>
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 6, 2014 12:31 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Dx-qsl] The Future?
>>>> We recently had a great discussion in the UK about remote operation and
>> DXCC.
>>>> Personally, to me the internet is just an extension mike, keylead and
>> headphone lead. HOWEVER,
>> for DXCC purposes, I cannot operate a remote station lets say in
>> Canada, and add to my DXCC total
>> from Scotland. The transmitter and aerial are in a different DXCC 
>> Country.
>>>> Would I have to hold a personal VE licence to operate a transmitter in
>> Canada whether by remote means or if
>> I am actually there. That could be one form of test, but I bet the
>> licensing authorities have not even heard
>> of remote operation.
>>>> I do know that in the UK I am responsbible for those whom I allow to
>> operate my station and my licence has particular
>> instruction in that possibility. EG I am not allowed to let
>> unlicensed people speak into my microphone - with a couple of exceptions.
>> I would have to verify that any remote user was properly licensed, but
>> where. In Europe we have CEPT, so my licence and most
>> other European licences are good within europe. We merely add the
>> location of the country we are operating from, to our call, like
>> DL/GM4FDM, F/GM4FDM, so it is clear where qwe are operating from. I
>> am also sure that the CEPT licence does NOT permit remote
>> operation.
>>>> Again, personally I have no problem with remote operation from within
>> one's own country. Like I build a big 4 element yagi for 80m
>> on top of a mountain and operate it remotely from home. Thats clearly
>> OK. OK, so the USA is a big place, but going by
>> MY principles if a W6 (real) operated a remote station is say, Maine,
>> because he is still within his own DXCC Country, I guess
>> I'd have to accept that and let that go. You may feel that is
>> unsportsmanlike for 160 or 80m but I guess technically no laws are being
>> broken.
>> No DXCC rules are being broken.
>>>> I'm not sure if there are distances involved, perhaps some of the more
>> knowledgable might say, but if I move house from Glasgow to Aberdeen
>> (I'm still in Scotland) so it would not affect my DXCC standings or
>> ratings. I would just carry on as usual.
>>>> What happens in the US or Canada? If a California station re-located
>> to New York, does his DXCC status remain the same and he can add to his
>> current totals from New York? IF HE CAN, then what is different about
>> a Californian operating a New York station remotely or vice versa.
>>>> If a Californian wants to operate a remote station in England, then that
>> would be totally different.
>>>> My 2p worth.
>>>>>> Tom
>>>> GM4FDM
>>>>>> On 06/01/2014 18:00, Steve Lund wrote:
>> > The Qs certainly count for DXCC now.
>> >
>> > I would think this would be difficult to change. Who would be
>> policing it?
>> >
>> > These remotes certainly skew statistics. Many of the W6/7 stations
>> listed
>> > for Zone 3 in the 1A0KM log actually used east coast remotes. Pretty
>> > obvious when you see 10m Qs at 13Z - several hours before sunrise. 
>> > Those
>> > 80m Qs during sunlight are pretty questionable, too!
>> >
>> > For a few $$,ドル I could have that 3000 bar for my DXCC Challenge plaque.
>> >
>> > Steve, K6UM
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Murray Green (K3BEQ)
>> <mgreen at erols.com <mailto:mgreen at erols.com>>wrote:
>> >
>> >> Came across a web page http://www.remotehamradio.com/inquire/
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>> >> the
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>> >>
>> >> One question that comes to mind from a DX view point is: "If
>> someone works
>> >> a rare dx station using a superstation remotely does it count for
>> DXCC?"
>> >> Another is contesting and how that fits into the scheme of things. _I
>> >> believe, but not certain, that the DXAC may be looking into the use of
>> >> remote stations during their upgrade of the DXCC Rules/Regulations 
>> >> this
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>> >>
>> >> 73, Murray K3BEQ
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